Should Christian Artists Be Held to a Higher Standard? | Bible, Bros & Brew

Christian artists who build faith-based platforms are held to a higher standard — and Scripture backs that up. This episode of Bible, Bros & Brew digs into why, drawing on Romans 14, First Corinthians 10, Colossians 3, and James 3. 

David McIntyre opens with a personal correction and a vulnerable story about a mentor whose hidden sin was eventually exposed — and what grace looks like in the aftermath. The conversation covers the stumbling block principle from First Corinthians 10:23–33, the instruction in Colossians 3:16 and Ephesians 5:19 that music is part of Christian formation, and the accountability James 3:1 places on teachers and influencers. Forrest Frank is highlighted as a model of conviction in a Christian music industry that has increasingly become a commercial product. The episode closes with Psalm 3:7 — a reminder that David the psalmist prayed with fire, and maybe we should too. Grab the I'm Over It e-book at BibleBrosBrew.com or on Amazon. Hosts: David McIntyre, Phillip Rich, and Jon Dzyuba. New episodes every Monday at 6 AM. Bible, Bros & Brew — Where the Word Meets the Daily Grind. 

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Transcript

Cold Open And What’s Coming

David McIntyre 0:00

This week we've continued our search for all things internet, and we are reacting to what we see. Today we've got some interesting stuff for you, and then one that's gonna make you shake your head. But stick with us. Something good's right around the corner. Up next on Bible Bros and Brew.

Welcome And Send Us Clips

David McIntyre 0:46

How y'all do it? Hey everybody, welcome to this episode of Bible Bros and Brew. I'm David. I'm not here alone. As you can see, these two weirdos next to me are usually here with me. Uh, I've got John on one side and Philip on the other, and they are both abnormal people. So uh as the only normal one, I'll lead the way and then they'll say weird stuff around me. Uh, we're so glad that you joined us for this episode. Uh, we're going to be reacting to some things that we've seen on the internet. Uh, if you've got some things you've seen on the internet and you want to see us react to them, please don't hesitate to send them to us. You can share them with us at our email at gotbrew at BibleBrosbrew.com. Or you can share them with us on any of the uh social media platforms that we're connected to, whether you share it in our YouTube comments or on Instagram, uh now, soon, TikTok, and others. We would love to have you connect with us. Uh, Philip and John, how you guys doing today?

Phillip Rich 1:53

Pretty good. Doing well, my friend. Doing well. Glad to be here.

David McIntyre 1:57

And don't forget that's got brew at Bible Brosbrew.com.

Phillip Rich 2:03

Come on. Let's

What’s In The Cup Tonight

Phillip Rich 2:05

get it.

David McIntyre 2:05

Well, you guys, we are glad you're here. And before we get into uh our videos for tonight, because we kind of want to jump right in, you know there's a very important question that we must ask. And that question is what's in the cup? All right, for what's in the cup tonight, we're gonna let Philip kick us off tonight. Actually, Philip, we're gonna let John kick us off tonight. Uh, John, what's in the cup?

Jon Dzyuba 2:44

You know, I almost forgot for a second. I got a maple-flavored coffee, I believe it's from Kroger. They had like this, like this fall. I know it's out of season.

David McIntyre 2:59

We just out here getting coffee from everywhere, ain't we?

Jon Dzyuba 3:01

Don't worry about it. Okay, good coffee is good coffee. Um, sipping out the Spider-Man mug, of course. I had to put in some, I didn't have to, but I iced it and put in some toasted marshmallow creamer. That's the thing that stuck out to me because stood out to me, excuse me. It was like a weird, like almond coconut creamer. And I was like, dude, what? I I thought I made a mistake before I like I poured it in already, I didn't realize what it was. But then at first I was weirded out, but then I was like, okay, you know what? This isn't too bad. It tasted like a toasted marshmallow, and then it exactly that's exactly what I was feeling and thinking. Um, it's not bad, it's not because I'm not a huge coconut fan, and the almond did make it taste a little nutty, but right the maple s'mores toasted marshmallow feel didn't really feel all too weird to have a nutty flavor to it, so not mad. I don't like it.

David McIntyre 4:02

Okay, so it sounds like you had a good creamer, yeah.

Jon Dzyuba 4:10

Precisely.

David McIntyre 4:11

How damn that's why you don't buy your coffee from Kroger. I'm just kidding. Uh, I have bought coffee from Kroger. Um, I don't still drink it.

Jon Dzyuba 4:24

You didn't drink it, yeah, exactly. Exactly.

David McIntyre 4:28

Just kidding. Uh Philip, what's in your cup?

Phillip Rich 4:32

You know, I had to go back to once again, the peregrine Peru decaf. Praise God. This is their newest one, guys. And it has notes of fudge, praline, and hazelnut. It is the most chocolatey, nutty. I mean, it's just like blessing in a cup, dude. It's it's so good, man. So shout out to Peregrine. And it's decaf, you know. Like I when I hit that point during the day where I realize I'm far too hopped up on caffeine, but I still want coffee. I gotta go with this decaf. And it's it's it's doing me right, man. I have no complaints. So shout out to Peregrine once again. Nice. Yes. How about you, David? What you got in your cup, man?

David McIntyre 5:21

Tonight I am drinking something uh still new, but from a similar line that I drank uh not last week, I think, but the week before, from the Paul John Indian Caffeine Company. This time I'm drinking their monsooned malabar.

Phillip Rich 5:40

Monsooned Malabar. That sounds pretty serious.

David McIntyre 5:44

This is an exceptional. Um, this is really this is a medium dark roast. Um, so it is packed with notes of red wine, cinnamon, and pepper. Uh, so it's full-bodied, uh, low acidity, and uh they call it friendly. Um, it is a nice sipping coffee for great conversation, I would say. So that's from Paul Dom, Indian Coffee Company. So you've got a mixture of different coffees to try here today, and even a creamer. So uh go out there and get some of that. Share with us in the comments uh what you're drinking tonight.

Book Update And Where To Buy

David McIntyre 6:29

And speaking of drinking tonight, don't forget we've released our new book, I'm over it. It's available on our website at BibleBrosbrew.com. And you can select uh forward slash merch, M-E-R-C-H, or you can just click the image that's on the front page of the website and grab your copy of the book. You can also search for it on Amazon.com and you could find it there as an ebook and you can download that. And we hope that that book blesses your life. Uh, we spent a good deal of time talking about it and working on it and editing even the devotional piece so that uh it would be something beneficial for you. You can also go back and listen to some previous episodes of Bible Bros and Brew, where we initially had the conversation about being over it. We know that will bless you as well. All right, let's get into it tonight.

Owning Our Anger From Last Week

David McIntyre 7:29

And as we get into it tonight, I want to start somewhere that's a little painful. So we released the episode last week about basically our I I forget exact the exact title for it, but we were talking about being deceived by Christian music artists and some of the things you should be looking for versus what's been put out. And I would like to confess something to you because when I'm wrong, or when I get the spirit of things wrong, or if I just get things wrong, period, I want to be sure to make it right. And when we shared last week about the music piece, um, it was really fresh with me at that time, and so man, what I shared last week was a complete rant. Uh it was uh it was David unchecked. Uh I did not I didn't put a whole lot of time and effort into just saying, okay, now let's make this beneficial and useful for the people. Um, and I was just I just went in about my anger about the whole situation. And if I'm being honest, I'm still angry about the situation. And the reason the reason why I'm still angry about it is because it's the same thing that happens when you have a long-term friend or a mentor or someone like that in your life. And for years and years, I could think of a gentleman right now. I can think of him right now. And um, even though I didn't read the depth of all of his books, he really meant something to me. And I would listen to his messages and dug in, and you know, the way that he communicated was something I connected with at a critical point in my life, even though it was a couple of years before something happened. He led me to understand that my church at the time wasn't the only place in the world teaching the word, that there were men and women of God all over the place teaching the word, and that there was a community of believers, and I had to break free from the chains that I had gotten myself caught up in in the bubble that we were in, that this was the only place that taught the true and right word of God. And so he helped me to break out of that bubble, and then in breaking out of that bubble, it set me free. Then in my freedom, I was able to learn some things that I was like, okay, we weren't exactly right over there. We weren't overall per se wrong, but we weren't exactly right. And it began to help to reshape some elements of my faith to clarify some things so that I rightly believed in other certain areas because I wasn't reading things, I was reading them with a certain context instead of just understanding the context and moving on. That was many, many years ago. But about 15-20 years after that, I came to find out that he is he was involved in so much sexual sin and manipulation and uh so many many things behind the scenes. There was no indication of it up front. It was all behind the scenes that this stuff was happening, and very few people knew about it, and it began to spill over into the public. And then once it spilled over, it became public. He acknowledged that it was true, and shortly thereafter he died because he was already sick, and uh, in his sickness, he just acknowledged it was true. Wow, and that wounded that wounded me because I said to myself, how can somebody who has walked clearly, walked so closely with God, find themselves in this place? Now I have since come to realize that it there but for the grace of God, there go I.

Phillip Rich 11:56

That's the truth, bro. That is the truth.

David McIntyre 12:00

If we're not careful, any one of us can find ourselves in any position that we'd never intended ourselves to be in.

Phillip Rich 12:09

Yeah.

David McIntyre 12:10

And if it's not for God's grace, if it's not for his mercy, there's no telling where we might find ourselves. So I learned to not judge. I hate that his ministry was so scandalized that people lost track of his words because his words were true, and he was genuinely converting converting people to Christ and bringing them into this place with Jesus. It was genuine what he was doing, it was what he was doing behind the scenes, his own personal sin that was undoing him.

Phillip Rich 12:53

Yeah, yep.

David McIntyre 12:55

And so, in the same way, I feel about the music. I feel like some of these people have been such a formative part of my Christian walk, and it leads me, you know, would lead me to ask the question, how could you do this? And it angers me, uh, but then I also have to be very gracious and merciful because the same thing that could take them can take me. And so I have to be very careful not to judge and to do all that. Um, you know, the Bible says be angry, but don't sin. And so I I I apologize for letting my anger turn what I was feeling into a rant, because we always want to give you what's going to be helpful for you. So um for that we apologize, but I hope you hear the heart and the and the what makes us angry. And then Philip, you want to throw anything else in there?

Phillip Rich 14:00

Yeah, just um I always think about you know how it says in Ephesians um don't let any corrupt communication come out of your mouth, but only what's good for the use of edifying. And I definitely can look back at some of the stuff I said, and I'm like, some of that wasn't edifying, then that doesn't mean that you never call things out that are supposed to be called out. We, you know, Jesus did it all the time to the to the religious folks in his day, and um and partly, if if you want to be honest about it, part part of that is our responsibility as as the body of Christ. You know, Paul said, um, he said, have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose

Calling Things Out Without Pride

Phillip Rich 14:41

them. So there is an element of that, but I'll also, if you think about it, man, um, you know, John, John, the actual apostle John, he wrote in, I think it was either second or third John, he said, There is a guy among you named Diatrophes, and he loves to have the preeminence among you. He thinks he's all that and a bag of Doritos. Yeah, and so John was literally calling somebody out by name, you know. And then we have Paul in Second Timothy, I believe. He said, Alexander the coppersmith has done me great evil. And then he said, May the Lord reward him according to his works. It's like, you know, so we, you know, there's they weren't they weren't exactly being kind, were they? They weren't exactly being kind, but at the same time, I a thousand percent, a thousand percent agree with what David said. Take heed lest you fall, you know. I mean, you can sit there and point out everybody else's stuff and why they screwed up and and how horrible it was that they screwed up, but believe you me, dude, if you're not sober and vigilant, it's it's easier than you think. Easier than you think to slip into some stuff, and next thing you know, you're doing the very thing that you condemn somebody else for doing. Right. Um, now I won't take back what I said about modern Christian music as a whole. No, I'm not gonna take it back, dude. It's for the most part kind of garbage, but it's a train wreck, still, yeah. So, but I can I can say that you know, I I can judge the music without hating on the people who make it, you know what I mean, that kind of thing.

David McIntyre 16:20

So um, but I just wanted to put that out there, so yeah, and you know, the reality is is the Bible does you could you see it in the New Testament, you see it in Colossians, you see it in Ephesians, you know, we get this instruction to teach and admonish one another, you know, in all wisdom. Colossians says singing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, and so Ephesians tells us to be filled with the spirit, addressing one another in psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs, meaning that music should be a part of our our Christian formation, and um so good Christian music definitely plays a role in our formation. I think my argument and Phillips is too is where is the good Christian music anymore? Yeah, you know what is this, what does this

Liberty And Not Causing Stumbles

David McIntyre 17:20

become? Has it become an industry? Has it just become where people come and you know you don't you can't make it out there in the big market with the Taylor Swifts of the world? So you find a way you're good enough to make it in the smaller Christian market, and so you threw together some music that said God, you say Jesus a couple of times, you talk about the rock, and you say the word salvation a few times, you throw it together, and voila, you've got a Christian soul. I think we're so many of us are ready for much more than that, and there are so few who go deeper and who are walking deeper with Christ to give us to give that depth of music out, and you know, maybe maybe so it will be. You know, maybe that's the remnant that God talks about, and we'll be a remnant people who find remnant music, remnant teachers that will help us to make it over to the other side of this thing. But we you you also hear the musicians, you see them all the time. Tell me, tell me why are the gospel Christian musicians you know out there at the cocktail parties with the heathens, having drinks and having conversation. What does that say about your testimony to this? Now, yes, the the Bible says that you know you can you can do what you want to do. You're as a as a believer, you just don't cross what you believe to be true in one sense. But yet so many of us are the it says don't be conformed to this world, but we're conforming to this world in order to be liked by others, and so we'll compromise our faith in order to be liked, we'll compromise our Christianity in order to be accepted in a circle of people who ultimately don't care about you, and I'm so overseeing Christian artists. You know, I saw a video where there was one Christian artist, he had these men around his table, and they were supposed to be talking about serious life stuff and Christ stuff and all that, and he's passing out cocktails, and one guy was like, I don't drink. He's like, Oh, get him some juice or something, get him some juice, and I'm like, Why are any of you drinking? And it's not because I'm compromised or have a certain feeling about drinking, but you're doing something that's in public, you're doing something that's going to be publicly consumed, and the Bible says, don't let your ability to eat meat become a stumbling block for the man who doesn't eat meat. So why is it okay for your consumption of alcohol in your video when you might not even realize that you're causing another brother to stumble who's watching you? And you don't understand that he can't handle his alcohol, but because he sees you doing it, oh great established Christian for 30 some odd years, he's like, Well, I guess it's okay. And you don't realize that you've helped to turn his life into an absolute mud pit. And he's struggling to get out of it while you're just having Sunday drinks with cocktails every week. We just have we just have to be smarter, we have to be better, we just have to be, and I think so many Christian artists have to be better because they're leading the way and people are watching you. That's all I gotta say about that.

Phillip Rich 21:32

There we go.

Jon Dzyuba 21:36

Oh boy, yeah, he was saying it sets a bad example for your sheep.

David McIntyre 21:44

And when I and let me just clarify something else I said, you know, when I said you could do whatever you want to do, you know, Paul says all things are lawful, but everything is an expedient. When we're born to When we come to the reality of Christ, we realize that there's so much that we may have once thought was off limits, in one sense, really isn't off-limits to us. But we do have the responsibility for choosing what we should and should not intake in our lives and what we should and should not participate in. Why would I, as a Christian man, be out every other night involved in orgies? It would make no sense. At some point, you would question my Christianity, and you would say there was something wrong with me and how I saw Christ and what I was doing.

unknown 22:47

Oh my God.

David McIntyre 22:49

And Christ was concerned not about how you felt about it, but what you do does to impact your brother.

Phillip Rich 23:01

Right.

David McIntyre 23:02

Okay, I need to stop.

Phillip Rich 23:05

The the reference, though, if we want to we want to kind of bring it back to the word, the reference is Romans 14, um, that David's coming from that in First Corinthians 10, when they he talks about when he's talking about eating meat that's been sacrificed to idols. That was a big problem back then, you know. So um I recommend, and I know David obviously we all recommend uh read those passages and just really think on what he's saying because it's true that we're called to liberty. Uh the Bible says we are in Galatians 5, but he also says, but don't use that liberty as an occasion to your flesh, right? Right, right. And and so it's like, don't don't let the very thing that God's blessed you with now become a subtle license for you to just live a morally loose life, you know. That's that's not gonna help anybody, man.

David McIntyre 24:01

Not even just morally loose, morally bankrupt.

Phillip Rich 24:05

Yeah, I mean, this is definitely folks out there doing that, that's for sure. Um, so yeah, yeah.

David McIntyre 24:12

And I could I just gonna say this one more time the this I'm watching you as a Christian artist. I've been listening to your music since I was like 22 and I'm 54. And you're out here with the guys just drinking around the table and carrying on this way. What do I do with that? What do I do with that? Because what I don't do, and I'm not judging you, but I definitely look at you and say, hmm, I I need to check that. And then I start listening to some of your music, and I'm I'm starting to see how you talk a lot less about God than you did back in the day. Back in the days, it was, you know, God, God, God. And nowadays it's, you know, I smile. And it's like, and when you start putting the picture together and some of the odd behavior that we're seeing, and some of the stuff you're doing in concert, and all this other stuff, it's just like you start, the picture begins to paint itself. And the picture of Christ in your life should always be creating a more beautiful and more beautiful picture, even in the midst of your struggles, your storms still turn into a beautiful picture. You just didn't know that the master painter was going to paint that part, that color into your life. But not because you strayed away, but because you're walking through difficulty, you're walking through stuff, but don't willingly open the door for calamity in your life and then want to testify that it was God.

Phillip Rich 26:06

I heard a lady, uh, a testimony this lady gave God made me a crack addict so I could learn him as a deliverer, you know. And I'm like, uh Wow, Crystal Methodist. Stop it, John. Stop it, dude.

David McIntyre 26:23

You are you're dead wrong for that.

Phillip Rich 26:26

Oh my god, I've never heard that, man. That's one of those things.

David McIntyre 26:30

He ain't saying, like he's saying he's saying stop.

Jon Dzyuba 26:34

I I 100% agree. I think that something that I'm convicted of, but like, especially in the workplace. I guess you can use this in layman's terms, like as a leader of a department, I can't expect everybody to be back, you know, back from lunch or like starting at seven o'clock if I'm rolling in with them at the same time. It's like right on the dot at seven o'clock. I can't, you know, you know, it's almost like leading by example. And then all of a sudden it's like, wait, why don't you know all of a sudden it's I I think when when you're saying that you're not here to judge, what I'm hearing from my perspective at the very least, it's like I'm not judging you, but I think that I lost a little bit of my uh capacity to be influenced by you or to be or to respect this person because it's like like you know, you do what you gotta do, but uh when you start singing about certain things or start preaching about certain things, I'm just gonna take it with a grain of salt now because I know what you did this past weekend. And it's not really the most honoring thing, you know. But yeah, so I yeah, it's it's a it's a thing that's I think it's something that this Christian industry should be exposed for, but um it yeah, yeah.

A Higher Standard For Influencers

David McIntyre 28:00

The Christian music industry as a whole has to rise to a higher standard.

Jon Dzyuba 28:05

Correct.

David McIntyre 28:06

Because there there should be a standard, and unfortunately, one of the few people that I see trying to uphold that standard is Forrest Frank, of all people.

SPEAKER_02 28:17

I love Forrest Frank.

David McIntyre 28:18

Who's saying, you know what? I don't feel right taking these awards. You know, I don't want to be awarded for the music that I make that I feel like God drops in my heart for people. So I'm not gonna do these award shows anymore. Okay, you can feel what you feel about that. The fine, fine. But then when you see him also take the step that he's fallen out with another Christian artist, and his answer is go to his brother, not rail him in social media, not carrying on and all this stuff and not doing all that, but he goes to his Christian brother, Corey Asbury. And between his going to him and saying, Let's do a song together, he actually brings his Christian brother who's falling away from the Lord, back to the Lord. All because he's trying to do it the way that God's laid it out to be and not do it the way the industry says it ought to be. The Christian music industry as a whole has to come up a standard. You know, I don't think it's any different, Phil, than when you know, when he says, when the Bible tells us that teachers will be held to a higher standard. That's me. I think anybody who is a Christian who's put in a place of authority or a position to be able to influence other believers, you instantly are standing at a higher responsibility, and you're going to be judged a little differently than everybody else because you took that platform. You said, I'm going to use this music to make a difference in people's lives for Christ. And you stood there and you talked to people and you told them, you led them, you spoke to them, you did all of these things, and you don't get to just walk away from that. That's a responsibility you have all of your life.

SPEAKER_02 30:26

So I'm I'm getting I didn't realize I was still feeling a little flared, but I'm still some kind of way about this.

David McIntyre 30:43

I see, but I laced it with the word this time, Phil.

Phillip Rich 30:47

Okay, the word was present. It was there, it was there.

David McIntyre 30:51

And it it wasn't it was it wasn't a rant rant at all. I feel different about that than I felt about the whole episode last week.

Phillip Rich 31:02

Yeah, we we we're gonna be all right. We're gonna be all right, that's for sure.

David McIntyre 31:06

No touch me, geez. This just might be uh this episode might be music part to you.

Jon Dzyuba 31:16

That's that's what it's starting to feel like a little bit.

David McIntyre 31:19

Oh man, I'm here for it. Okay, John. I'm gonna give this thing back to John because I've talked. Wait, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I love music, I'm passionate about the music.

Jon Dzyuba 31:31

Um yeah, always have been, that's for sure, man. Yeah, I think that I I to be fair, I think it's a valid, I was gonna say valid crash out. You're not crashing out, but there is there's necessary conviction.

SPEAKER_02 31:47

He called it a crash out.

Jon Dzyuba 31:48

Oh it's it's not because it's I think it's I said it last week. That's one of the reasons why I love Forrest Frank, on top of just enjoying his music altogether. Um, and I think that that's something that the thing that stood out to me about him was that at the beginning of his rebranding, he said that he wanted to record because he he devoted he devoted himself to Christ, he gave his life to Christ because he made pop music before. And since he had changed his music to to worship God, he wanted to record himself to keep himself accountable. And I think that seeing his conviction and seeing himself keep himself accountable with his own actions, um, is I think that's like the root of this conversation right here is uh do you are you feeling convicted? I think that more people should be more convicted about their music. Um, because and especially artists, specifically artists, like I think that there's just a significant lack of conviction and a lack of fear of God. Um, because I think that this music industry is the very thing that Jesus was go would go into and start turning tables over because they're in his church trying to produce music and trying to sell music, you know. Like I get it, like you gotta keep the lights on, but you know, it's kind of like we talked about earlier, like you know, now we're you know, we're now we're paying for the the pastor's Rolex or role, you know, Rolex watches, like you know, I don't I don't think that it's become an industry. We already talked about that last week, but I uh 100% agree. I think that there's a significant lack of conviction, and we need it, the music needs it. But on the other side of this coin, uh and I know we mentioned it last week too. Uh you yeah, you definitely I remember you talked about it too. Now, like people like Forrest Frank and all these other like younger creators aren't waiting to be signed on to a label, they're just creating music as they see God giving them the gift of music, like they just they're creating worship through their own avenue of using social media and whatnot, and they're doing it for the sake of worshiping God, and that is and and it doesn't hurt that the music actually sounds good, you know what I mean? Like I don't know, it's just it's nice to see on the other side of that, like especially younger people are just throwing out music the way that they want would want to listen their cute Christian music be. Um, and it makes it just makes for a refreshing wave of like Christian music in my eyes, in my ears specifically. Because it's I don't know. I'm liking I'm liking the stuff that's been put put out. It's not all perfect, but when again, I'm gonna bring up my boy Forrest Frank. When every song he's got is has got some like word-for-word scripture in there. I mean, come on, dude. It's just it sounds anointed, you know what I mean. But I'll leave that at that.

Switching To Internet Reactions

Jon Dzyuba 35:14

Um did y'all want to react to some internet videos tonight? Yes. Do we have time?

David McIntyre 35:21

Do we just want to go with the shorter ones and then hit the we were we were like 20 minutes before we started, so we've at least got another like 17. I'm so sorry, Philip. I really am I feel bad now. I didn't realize I went on that long. It was a rant. Sorry when it goes that long, yeah. I'm sorry, Philip. Sorry, Stephanie. Sorry, everybody.

Phillip Rich 35:51

It's all right, bro. It's okay. I know you feel strongly, feel very strongly about it.

David McIntyre 35:57

So but there was word in it.

Phillip Rich 36:00

That's right. Yes, there was there was some word in there, bro.

David McIntyre 36:03

Philip, do you want to just do the humorous stuff and keep the other one for next week, or do you want to go right into the other one?

Phillip Rich 36:10

Let's just let's let's just hit the humor and uh I think that it'll be safe. So uh if the spirit descends, then we will uh maybe do the other one.

Jon Dzyuba 36:22

But good lord, good lord, bless it.

Phillip Rich 36:26

All right, all right.

Jon Dzyuba 36:27

John, check this out, fellas. Oh, let me hit this one right here. We'll save that one for later. I think one of y'all should be.

Genealogies And Bible Reading Grind

Phillip Rich 36:47

Um, I don't know how that is, man. Like when you commit to read the Bible, you know, I'm gonna read every yeah, like three chapters a day of the gospels, and it starts off with that genealogy, brother. You gotta you gotta plow your way through that thing, man.

Jon Dzyuba 37:03

This is where the Bible in a year challenge fails, is when they get to the genealogy, and they're like, you know what? She's in the book of Luke right now.

David McIntyre 37:13

She, I mean, take me back to Numbers where it's five chapters of and he knew and she was son of and bar this and bar that, and she's got the inside of her Bible, too.

Jon Dzyuba 37:28

Like oh god, yeah, me personally, yeah.

David McIntyre 37:33

But well, I will tell you guys, I will tell you guys this though. Those genealogies are hard to walk through, but then like when you're reading those old testament ones, and then you jump off in the chronicles and kings, and then all of a sudden you're like, wait a minute, wait a minute, that was so and so, right? And you start connecting those dots, yeah, and then it's amazing the news test testament stuff, and you're like, dude, I know that name, and you start, and the pieces start falling in place. Now, look, the pieces don't gonna fall in place together because there's like 70 billion people in these bugats, you know. So but there's some of them you'll recognize, and you'll be like, Oh, that was so-and-so's dad, it was his brother because his cousin did this, and it's like, okay, and you feel a little extra close to the Bible that day because you gotta do that, right?

Phillip Rich 38:30

It's true, it's very true. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_07 38:34

The Bible says they we come from dust and we return to dust. See, that's why I don't dust. It might be somebody we know.

Phillip Rich 38:45

Stop it, stop it right now. Honestly, yeah, it's I mean, somebody said that. I forgot where I heard this, but it was like a professor I had or something, and he was like, Do you realize that he was very like dead pan? You know how professors can be. He was like, Do you realize that much of the particulate matter that is now dust was once uh human remains? And he was just saying something like that, and I'm like, I get you. Uh didn't need to know that, don't need to think about that, but it even if it's totally true, um that was just interesting to me.

Jon Dzyuba 39:28

So honestly, it's kind of I mean, I do think it is cool because what is what is it, Ecclesiastes? Is that is that where it's coming from? You know, from dust we reformed and dust we returned.

Phillip Rich 39:42

Oh, that's in Genesis when um that was after the curse, too, when God was cursing Adam, he was like, bro, uh, you're gonna have to work hard to get any food, first of all. And then you know, when you're dead, it's over, bro.

Jon Dzyuba 39:54

Dust you are until dust you will return. Right, go bye, and then and then people get surprised when it's like I can't take all this money with me. No, dude, it's just dust, your dust. That dust that's collecting all your stuff. That's so you knew um that that part was free.

SPEAKER_02 40:15

But I love so

Money Literacy And Generational Wealth

SPEAKER_02 40:17

much.

David McIntyre 40:17

I know this is uh I know this is completely off the subject. Um, so please don't get me, Philip.

Phillip Rich 40:28

I'm I look, I'm sitting here with bated breath.

David McIntyre 40:31

Look, you know, I said something the other day. I said other week, couple weeks back, maybe it was that you know, Christians need literacy, people in general need literacy on a bunch of stuff. And you know, one of the things that I think Christians need a better literacy on is their money. And it's like, you know, it's 100% sure that you can't take it with you. That doesn't mean live broke.

Phillip Rich 41:02

Yeah, amen to that.

David McIntyre 41:04

And and nor does it mean focus so heavily on wealth that you pierce yourself through uh because of your, you know, because of your wrong relationship to money. I wish we as Christians would would find ourselves a healthy literacy because the real opportunity with money is to be able to pass it on from generation to generation and have each generation be a part of maintaining and growing it to just help the next generation along, just a little bit. Um and that help lets them do more and lets them grow more and helps them to become more. And I I just wish we were I wish we were more stable about things and not always on these edges of prosperity gospel and you know thou shalt be broke.

Jon Dzyuba 42:00

Uh I hear you, dude. Yeah, I think that a great example of generational wealth is the Rockefeller family. When they started the way they, if you look into that story, I won't go into it too deeply, but they're I think they're a great example of starting money. Um was it 200, almost 200 years ago? And probably 150 years ago, something like that, and then just every generation just like staying like keeping that money within the family and managing to have that money go from generation to generation and growing that money. Uh, there's nothing nothing at all wrong with that. 100% agree. Okay.

David McIntyre 42:43

If if only they had God, though.

Jon Dzyuba 42:45

Right, well, that's a whole different conversation.

Phillip Rich 42:49

The way they got their money, I'm not too sure, was of God, but uh we'll say that for another time. You're 100% correct, yeah.

David McIntyre 42:58

But having the godly heritage connected with your money that you helped to grow the kingdom from generation to generation to generation to generation is quite a legacy for your family.

Jon Dzyuba 43:14

Well, it's also, I mean, what does it say? It's the the root of all evil is the love of money, or the love of money is root of all evil, so it's not having money that is the root of evil, it's the love of money that'll set you on fire, fire heart stones, but unfortunately, too many people are in love with it. Yeah, and it's sad. When you heard this dude, it's funny when people say, 'I'm married to the hustle, I'm married to the bag.' I'm like, dude, that is literally the definition of loving money. It's kind of funny when hearing people say that out loud.

Phillip Rich 43:54

Sorry, I just just saw that. Shot guy has joined us. Hey, hello again. Good evening, shock guy. I remember you from back in the day. Yes, sir.

David McIntyre 44:05

Two weeks ago. Two weeks ago.

Jon Dzyuba 44:09

All right, John.

King David Era Prayer Energy

Jon Dzyuba 44:11

One more for you guys. One more. I think you'll get a kick out of this one.

SPEAKER_08 44:15

So I'm in my wood, like I do every night, right? And I came across this Bible verse. Let me tell you something. This is what I love about David. David was a gangster. David was a thug. I'm talking about David was so straight to the point, man. He just gotta love the man. He went to God straight up and just told him what he needed and what he wanted. Right here, Psalm 3 and 7. It says, Arise, oh Lord, rescue me, my God. Slap all my enemies in the face. Hey, shandy both. That's what I need right now. I say, slap all thy holy hand across the face of thine enemies. Oh, praise him tonight. Praise him on tonight. This, this, this where I'm at right here. Uh, I'm in my King David era.

David McIntyre 45:08

I say what I find even funnier is that she didn't get to the next verse because the next verse says, and shatter their teeth.

Jon Dzyuba 45:25

Right. Yeah. Right. She said, I'm in my King David era. You know, in the comments, let me know who's in their King David era right now. Okay. Slap all my enemies. I think that we should have more prayers like this.

David McIntyre 45:43

Yeah. Can I be honest? I've been secretly playing praying a little bit more like David, though.

unknown 45:50

Yeah.

David McIntyre 45:51

Because there's a situation, there's a situation going on right now, and my prayer is Lord, break the backs of this group of people. Oh boy. Drive them into derision and confusion and let them ambush each other.

SPEAKER_02 46:07

Come on now.

David McIntyre 46:09

And I and I mean I mean that prayer too.

Jon Dzyuba 46:13

I respect that. I respect it. Yeah, that's uh I I think that I think that'd be a great bookmark for tonight to pray that the the Lord will slap our enemies across the face. OW and shatter the teeth of the wicked.

David McIntyre 46:38

Oh man.

Jon Dzyuba 46:39

I have no no comments, no notes for that one, gentlemen. I don't know about y'all, but I think that again.

Phillip Rich 46:47

The point was well made.

Jon Dzyuba 46:50

We need to pray more like David. Everybody who's in the King David era.

David McIntyre 46:55

Right.

Final Thoughts And How To Connect

David McIntyre 46:56

I promise next week to have better control of myself. And to set a good, godly example. Uh, and to not steal the time from the thing that we wanted to get to that we didn't tonight. And uh to remind you to get your copy of Get Over It. It's a great book that we think that you'll really enjoy. It's an e-book, so make sure you have your Kindle reader or whatever you do your e-reading on. And then after you read it, do us a huge favor. Tell us about your experience reading it. Uh, not that it was just a good, oh, this is a great read. That's good, but we want to know did it help you? Did it help you move from over it to a healthier place where now, okay, I still may be a little bit over it, but now I have a perspective that lets me know I'm not gonna always be over it. So please share with us your feedback about the book and tell us how it's impacting and changing things for you. Also, don't forget to visit our website, BibleBrosbrew.com. Uh, we just check it out. There are all the resources there. We've got some more stuff coming to it soon. Uh, just as soon as I get my hands to it, we'll have some newer things there for you. And then don't forget to connect with us on social media, which you can find on Bible Brews, BibleBrosbrew.com. And uh you'll see all of our social medias there. You can connect with us on TikTok, on Instagram, on YouTube, on Rumble. You'll also be able to find the different places where you can get the podcast if you just want to listen, like Spotify, Apple Podcast, and Pocket Cast. So we would just love to have you connect with us and do us a huge favor here on YouTube and on Rumble. If you would make sure that you like and subscribe to the channel, that way you're always notified when we are doing something new and when something fresh is coming your way. We're so glad that you're here. We appreciate you, we love you. And on behalf of Philip and John, we'll see you next time. My wife gave me a girl cup.