React Series: Is Jesus Metaphysical? What the Word Actually Says About John 14:6

In this episode of Bible, Bros & Brew, Dave, Phil, and John continue their React series by responding to a WOKE preacher who claims John 14:6 — "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life" — should be interpreted metaphysically rather than literally. The guys break down the full context of John 14, cross-reference Matthew 10, Matthew 7, and Romans 10, and expose how half-truths and loose theology lead believers — and seekers — away from the clear message of Scripture. 

They also unpack what happens when Christianity becomes so "inclusive" it stops being Christianity, why the Bereans are still the standard for every believer, and why knowing the Word is your best defense against deception. 

☕ What's in the Cup: Phil brings Peregrine Gold's Colombia Thermal Shock (fruit-forward, phenomenal), Dave finally admits the Mocha Turtle from Sam's Club slaps, and John keeps it simple with Black Rifle Blackbeard's Delight after a rough week. 

Scriptures Referenced: John 14:1-6 | John 10:9 | Matthew 10:34-39 | Matthew 7:21-23 | Romans 10 | Matthew 5:18 | 2 Peter 1:20-21 | Acts 17 (The Bereans) 

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Transcript

React Series Setup And Warnings

David McIntyre 0:00

On this episode of Bible Bros and Brew, we're going to continue our React series. And we're going to take a look at a video on TikTok that, well, if you know, you know. If you've walked with us for any time, you're going to hear a few things that are going to make you say, uh. And for some of you, it may sound great, but we're going to tell you why it's not great. Up next, on Bible Bros and Brew. I am your bro Dave. And with me are your bros Philip and the one and only bro John. And we are here to help you this week to hopefully get through another week. Sorry we missed you guys last week, but we had some strata. No wait, we didn't miss you guys last week. It was the week before. Okay, everything's cool. Everything's cool. Anyway, tonight we're going to continue reacting to some of the videos and some of the things that we've seen on social media. And let me tell you, it's about picking what's out there because there's so much to choose from that you just have to make a choice to go here, here, and here. But I'm going to tell you right off the bat, you know, the Bible tells us to not just be hearers of the word, but doers. In other words, it's not enough to just hear the word, but you also have to put the word into action. And then you hear more and you put more into action. And it becomes this kind of circular event that happens in your life that you find yourself growing and maturing. And you're going to need that maturity because there are things that are being said and done that should put your spiritual radar on alert. And we're going to talk about one of those today. But before we do, let's talk about what's in the cup. All right. This episode of What's in the cup, we've all got some coffees out here that we're drinking tonight. Remember, coffee helps you to be more conversational. And so we always bring a cup to the table as we have these conversations with you. And we encourage you to do the same as well. Hey, take a minute and let us know in the comments what you're drinking tonight. So, Phillips, what's in the cup?

Phillip Rich 2:53

Man, I could not be more excited to share what's happening in my cup tonight. Um, I have a brand new coffee from Peregrine just released, is part of their Peregrine Gold series, dude. Pretty new. Uh let me let me put something out here real quick. Oh my god. Yeah. But yes, this one is called Columbia Nestor Bourbon Aji Thermal Shock. Can you believe what you're hearing right now? Okay. This is a coffee that they put through a meticulous process known as thermal shock, which they basically allow it to sit at these different temperatures or something like that. There's a whole technical process that goes on where they um uh it's kind of like a I don't know if it's fermentation or something that they do with the the coffee cherries or whatever. Really neat kind of uh process they got going on on the cutting edge of coffee innovation, from what I understand. So um I wanted to try it for the first time. I haven't even tried it yet before the show. Uh, I want to do a live first sip of this coffee. Um so I figured I'd go ahead and do it. I don't know how hot it's gonna be because it's been sitting for a minute, but I also wanted to show off a birthday present. Um, and it's my new Peregrine camping mug. This thing is dumb, dude. It's got a little lid that slides back and you can't really see it. I don't want to tilt it because I'll pour coffee if I do, but you can slide the lid back and forth to open it, close it. Really cool stuff, man. So um, but I'm gonna go ahead and try my first sip now of this brand new thermal shock coffee. So are you ready? Yes. Uh let's see here. Drum roll. Okay.

SPEAKER_07 5:00

Wow.

Phillip Rich 5:02

Bro. Oh, where's my oh my god, hold on.

SPEAKER_02 5:07

Oh my god.

Phillip Rich 5:09

There it is. Dude, that's good. It is so good. It is like okay, they say that it has notes of peach ring, key lime pie, and apricot. Wow. A very what they call a fruit forward coffee, if you will. Um so, but it is so delicious, man. It is super delicious. I I highly recommend Peregrine, and I will have to say this. I know I talk a lot about Peregrine. Um, they're not an official sponsor of our show. Um they may not necessarily endorse everything we do on the show, but um, I do I do want to put that out there. We love Peregrine, and we want to just give them a shout-out once again for how cool they are. So um, but yes, this here is fantastic, guys. So cheers to all coffee drinkers out there.

SPEAKER_02 6:01

Beautiful.

Phillip Rich 6:02

Um thank you, thank you. Uh David, how about you, man? What you got in your cup?

David McIntyre 6:06

I think I mentioned last week or a couple weeks ago that um again I mocked John for his mocha turtle that he bought to the table. And I thought, boy, what a sissy drink!

SPEAKER_07 6:20

Wow.

David McIntyre 6:21

And um I was I was desperate for a flavored coffee a couple weeks ago, and so I was like, I'll try this and see if it's as good as John says. It's probably not. And why let me just tell you the the coffee was as good as John advertised. Come on now, uh, and so I again once again I apologize to John for doubting his taste buds um in calling into question. But this is the mocha turtle, and the wildest part about it is it's from Members Mark, so it comes from Sam's, and um it is a now this is a flavored coffee, so you're getting the mocha, you're getting the turtle, and um it's it's just a really good coffee, and it's a pleasant drink for a conversational evening. Come on now. There's that, all right. John, what's in your cup?

Jon Dzyuba 7:21

There is that, and I will say I forgive you in the spirit of bringing good coffees to the table. Uh, tonight I'm actually bringing something that I haven't touched in a minute, but this is the Black Rifle Coffee Company, Blackbeard Delight. When I tell you when you when you had a week like mine, I didn't need I don't want any flavor, I don't want anything fancy, you know. I I just need something that's like a dark roast that is very bold, that'll kick you right in your jawline, yes, it is it is sharp, but it it's not it's not just like a punch in the face, and you're just like left on the ground hurting. You actually want to pick that up back up and drink it again because it tastes good. Uh but I'm like, yeah, go ahead.

Phillip Rich 8:21

Sorry, John. I was just thinking, like, in other words, you get punched in the face and you have to resist the urge to thank the person who punched you.

Jon Dzyuba 8:29

Precisely, you you you actually want to turn the cheek, right? Yeah, don't make me do it, don't make me do it. But no, it's I'm a huge fan of Black Rifle. Um, everything they put out is great, and this is another certified banger, just classic dark roast. Um, and I just I need it in actual conversational now, you know?

The TikTok Claim About John 14:6

David McIntyre 8:50

Good, good, good. I just like to say for Black Rifle, the other I've been drinking it all week, but their Liberty Roast is such a good, just straight coffee. No, it's no flavor, it's just a great roast. Uh, so that's another good one. All right, that's what's in the cup now. Let's talk about what's in the word. Come on. This week we're going to continue reacting to some of the videos that we've seen out there on TikTok. And this week we've got uh a woman who is giving a message at a church.

SPEAKER_07 9:26

That's pretty diabolical, man. A woman giving a message at church is kind of insane. I'm just kidding.

David McIntyre 9:32

Yeah, and she's you know, um, what we're not here to talk about is whether women should preach or not. Uh we're we're not having that conversation at all. We can't even get backdoored into that conversation. We're just you know you read your word and you do what you believe the word says to do. That's not the that's not the issue at hand. Um, as usual, when you listen to or we bring a reaction that's got a preacher in it, it's important to listen to what they have to say. So I'm not gonna add any more to it because there's gonna be plenty to be said on the back end. So let's watch this.

First Reactions And Immediate Red Flags

SPEAKER_00 10:14

The way and the truth and the life. And here's the kicker no one comes to the father except through me. Now, for centuries, for millennia, Christians have used those words as a proof text to be do kind all kinds of awful things in the world, to punish people for not being Christian or not being their version of Christian, to punish or condemn people for all kinds of beautiful diversity that we see in the world, not to love, not to bless the world, but to condemn it. All kinds of awful things have come from those little words. Now, here's the thing, before we even dive in, we have to get one thing straight. Jesus did not come into this world to preach and to teach a my way or the highway kind of religion. Absolutely not. And in every other one of the gospels, people come to Jesus and they ask him point blank, teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life? And in the Gospel of Mark, Jesus' answer is this follow the Ten Commandments, love God, be an ethical person, do the right thing. And where the person who's asking, How do I inherit eternal follows up and says, Well, who is my neighbor? And he says, the person who is on the way to eternal life, the person who has got it, who loves God and loves their neighbor, it can even be a Samaritan, somebody who is not of our religion, not of our tribe, not of our ethnicity, and worships God in a completely different way. That person can inherit eternal life. So again, to make a claim that Jesus in the Gospel of John is now preaching and teaching this radically different message that you have to follow God in a certain way, you have to say the Jesus prayer just like this. You have to be part of our tribe, or you have to be part of our faith, or you have to claim Jesus as your Lord and Savior, or you won't get into the kingdom of heaven. Makes no sense when you look at it in light of this consistent character of Jesus. Jump into my hands, Jesus is saying, look into my eyes. I am the way into this pool. We as Christians get to jump, not because it is an exclusive experience, but because it's authentic, because it is true alongside other truths in the world. And so this is my heart and my hope for you, that when you encounter this scripture, and maybe you'll encounter some Christians who think very differently about it, you'll be able to explain to them and help them understand that anytime you're talking about the gospel of John, and especially anytime you're talking about a conversation with Thomas, Jesus is not to be taken literally, but metaphysically.

Jon Dzyuba 13:20

Y'all know okay. All right. So uh what's cracking me up is uh night horse right here in the comment section. Just what did night horse say, guys?

David McIntyre 13:37

It's what she has to say, that's what it is. Right.

Phillip Rich 13:44

But they put the uh verbal the written equivalent of right. Yeah.

Jon Dzyuba 13:52

Where do you I well I want to say where do you even begin? But honestly, I feel like the beginning.

David McIntyre 13:58

Where do you gotta you gotta start this foolishness at the beginning?

Phillip Rich 14:03

I wish I had that uh that office meme where Michael Scott's got the cringe face. That's what I'm feeling right now, dude. That's that's what I feel.

David McIntyre 14:12

Yeah, but um and you guys, let can we just start by let us answer this question first. And I know it's all inclusive question, Phil. But the question that somebody is asking right now is so what's so wrong with what she said?

SPEAKER_07 14:30

Right, right.

David McIntyre 14:33

Well, I'll let you, I'll let you tackle that first, Phil.

Phillip Rich 14:38

I feel like well, I'm not gonna talk about what I feel like because uh come on, Jesus, come on, Jesus. It's it's easy to understand what's wrong with what she said when you're grounded in the scripture, come on when you know when you know what the Bible says, and when you've actually read it in context, not this wild uh amalgamation of cherry-picked halfway inaccurate quotations from the Bible that she came up with, but when you actually read what the scriptures say in context, practically everything she said was off base. Wrong. And so it but but but it sounds good because it sounds welcoming, it sounds unobtrusive, it sounds, you know, uh uh inoffensive, you know what I mean? Like this is for everyone out there who thought that Christians don't like them, or whatever the case she might be trying to make with that. Um, I will say this off the bat anytime somebody mentions that phrase proof text, I'm automatically looking at them sideways. That's one of those atheist trigger word kind of things that they they they use that stuff to sound smart or try to sound intellectual, and it's just completely irrelevant to the conversation most of the time. Yeah, um and and I don't want to, I know we got a lot to dig into, so I don't want to hog all this time up front, but I just I'll say that if you're grounded in scripture and you actually have read these different things that she very tangentially referred to, uh, you can know that what she's saying is uh completely inaccurate.

David McIntyre 16:27

Completely what else is wrong with it is it's this reality that makes up so much of what today's maybe even Christian world, but the religious world view of the world of what the world's religious view is, is that everything is great as long as you're inclusive of that which God says he does not agree with. Everything is fine as long as you accept this group of people or that group of people, and you don't buy into what other people say. Because Philip said something, he said proof task, and that's exactly what some of this is, and when I get alerted to that, when I hear that, I immediately feel like I'm listening to somebody who is um well, let me not say that just yet. Um, I'm listening to somebody who has a worldview that I can immediately tell is different than mine. And the reason why our worldviews are different is because our foundations are clearly different.

Jon Dzyuba 17:45

There you go.

John 14 Read In Full Context

David McIntyre 17:47

And our foundations are different because I have tried to live a life where my foundation is grounded in the word of God. Now, I would bet I would she would probably say that her foundations were guided in the word of God as well. But now think about what she said. What did you hear of the word of God in what she said? She told you about her desire, she told you about what she wanted for you, but she never once communicated what it was that God said, except to say that in this thing that God that he she didn't even attribute it to God, she said that it was the misuse of scripture that others use that is wrong. That's the only time she kind of referred to the word, and that's usually also a sign that there is a problem and there is a lack lack of depth in what's being said. Now we're gonna dig into a little bit more of what exactly she said. And Phil, if you don't mind, can I start? Because the the very first thing that came out of her mouth about the proof text was this concept of I am the way, the truth, and the life. Guys, that's not a proof text, that is the text. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's that's that's not a that's not a you know, there's no way that you can assess that metaphysically.

Phillip Rich 19:32

Right.

David McIntyre 19:33

Jesus said, if we in John, if you don't mind pulling it up, in John 14, chapter six, and you can pull it up in the ESV, you can pull it up in the Strong's KJV, whichever one, but John 14 and 6. And if we look at John 14 and 6, and let's actually let's actually just do a little bit of work here. Let's go back and look at one for just a moment. And if you make that just a little bit bigger for me, John, I'm a little, you know, I'm a brother that needs help. Actually, let me do this real quick. Yeah, if we look thank you. If we look at verse one, it says, Let not your hearts be troubled, believe in God, believe also in me. Now, if Jesus was speaking metaphysically in verse six, then what could he have meant in verse one?

Phillip Rich 20:43

Right.

David McIntyre 20:44

There's no metaphysical here. Jesus is teaching practically to the people. Verse 2, he tells them, he's preparing them for what's coming. In my father's house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you? So, in other words, Jesus is saying, I'm talking to you in truth, I am telling you what's been prepared for you and what's happening. And if I go, verse three, and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also. Now look, we also have we've already got one indicator of some truth of that, because we know that Jesus died on the cross, and then we know that he came back. So we already see that Jesus is proving that he would return. Now, the this is this return here is his soon to be coming to get his children and to take care of business. But he goes on in verse four and says, And you know the way to where I am going. Now Thomas said to him, This is the Thomas children. Was referring to she said, Thomas said to him, one of the twelve, Lord, we do not know where you are going. How can we know the way? Jesus said to him, I am the way, Thomas. I am the truth and I am the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you had known me, you would have known my father also. From now on, you do know him and have seen me. Jesus makes his point very clearly here. He's the way, he's the truth, and he's the life.

Phillip Rich 22:40

Yep.

David McIntyre 22:41

And he says something that's critically important here that every person who says they believe in God must acknowledge and accept that no man comes unto the Father except through me. He said to Nicodemus, and I think it's John chapter three um, you must be born again.

SPEAKER_07 23:01

Yeah, yeah.

David McIntyre 23:02

Yeah, the word is not I'm sorry, I jumped in there, David. Um you're good, you're good.

Phillip Rich 23:10

The word must is not uh optional, you know, that's not a that's not a word you use when you're trying to tell somebody that there's another way, right? That's a word that it's an imperative. You must be born again, not up for debate, not up for you know whether or not you feel like it, blah blah blah. So I just wanted to point that out, but you go ahead, David.

David McIntyre 23:33

Right, and so Jesus is telling us, he said it through Nicodemus, he's saying it again here in John 14. He's telling you that he's the way. Now, if we are look at John chapter 10, verse 9, Jesus says, I am the door. Come on, man. No man comes to the father except through me. He's establishing over and over and over again in a not metaphysical way, that the pathway to the father goes through him.

SPEAKER_07 24:09

Right. Yes.

David McIntyre 24:10

There's no avoiding that path. You don't, that's why he in John chapter 10 started talking about the thief comes to steal, to kill, and destroy. But I have come that they might have life and have it more abundantly, and that there are those that have tried to get into the sheepfold by sneaking in, tricking their way in, and doing all this other stuff to get in. But he says, You can't do that. I am the way, you can't trick your way into the Father, you can't just jump into Jesus' arms with eyes wide open and say, Here I come, Jesus, and just loop your way into his arms and be like, That's it, I'm metaphysically in. That's not how this works. It is practical and it is real. John uh Romans 10 10 tells us, or that whole that series there in Romans tells us we have to confess our sins, we have to believe in our heart and confess our sins, and then we can be saved. That's going through the door, and the door is the only way. That's why Jesus says there is a narrow path. That doorway is Jesus, and the whole world isn't going to try to fit through it. There's a wide, broad way that many people take, but you're to go the narrow way. The narrow way is through the door that is Jesus, and obviously that's just the beginning.

Jon Dzyuba 25:45

Come on, now just to I want to point this out here. Just if you were to come at this, if it were me coming at this video, not having any biblical knowledge, just from the standpoint of what she is saying, she's telling me that Jesus said this, that I there's only there's no way through to through the Father except through me. And then she goes on to say, Well, you know, they ask him, you know, what shall you do? And you should love your neighbor. And who is your neighbor? He's you know, he's the one that you know, do the Ten Commandments and be an ethical person. So I'm having this dilemma of you know, you want me to follow Christ, right? You want me to listen to what he says by being an ethical person and being loving, and and the ethical person part is really getting me right now. But um, but then at the very beginning, you're telling me, well, he says that he's the he is the way, he is the life. Um, that's the part you shouldn't listen to. And so my initial red flag is you want me to follow this person and follow the teachings that you're based, following the teachings of someone that you're basing your teachings off of, but it's it's you're being inconsistent, even if I don't know, you're telling me listen to this and not this part. Um that puts me in a place where what it sounds like to me is that you want me to listen to your teachings and what you're saying, specifically the the woke pastor in question. Um, and you mentioned how she doesn't she don't she only refers to the Bible once. Uh, the second time she refers to the Bible is when she says, It says in Matthew that you should follow the Ten Commandments and be an ethical person and be nice and loving and caring.

David McIntyre 27:19

Yeah, so that's what somebody somebody please show me where that is. Right.

Jon Dzyuba 27:25

I got Matthew pulled up here, and I'm still looking for it, by the way.

Phillip Rich 27:28

Um I don't know where where or when again, it's such a loosely associated uh conglomeration of words based on things that can be found in the Bible, but the actual thing she was saying is not based in scripture itself, like be an ethical person. I where is that in the scripture? Where is that in the scripture? Uh that that's such a that's such a common modern psychology today level of of uh religiosity, jargon, yeah. Like the jargon is like from something you would read out of psychology today versus it being something found in the word, you know. I I mean I'm not saying that being an ethical person is wrong, but there's so many levels before a person can produce the fruit of being ethical that you have to to pass through first before we can even talk about and and to me, this sounds no different than somebody thinking that if I just do enough good, then that means I'm saved, right? You know, if like all of a sudden salvation is by works, according to what she's kind of put implying by the what she's saying, and I'm like, uh no, no, it doesn't work like that, man. Um but I I wanted to, and John, if you don't mind, I wanted to go to Matthew 10 since we're in Matthew and she was talking about Matthew. I wanted to go to Matthew 10 real quick. We're in Matthew, we don't know where she was. I mean, I know there were some people that came to Jesus, in all fairness, there were some different Pharisees and people that came to Jesus saying, Hey, what must I do to inherit eternal life? You know, that that is a question that some folks asked him, you know, like the rich young ruler. Uh, there's some things there. So she, like I said, loosely based, but the actual things she was putting together were more kind of pulled out of her own head, almost like she had scriptures uh on small pieces of paper in a hat, just drew them out of a hat to put something together, you know.

Jon Dzyuba 29:30

Sounds right, you know?

Phillip Rich 29:32

Yeah, it does sound right. But I wanted to go to Matthew 10, 34. Uh, this is the first thing I thought of when she talked about Jesus not preaching a my way or the highway kind of gospel. Yeah. You know, she said that he's not preaching a my way or the highway kind of religion. Okay, verse 34 here says, Do not think that I've come to bring peace to the earth. I've not come to bring peace but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law, and a person's enemies will be those of his own household. Listen to this in verse 37. Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me. Whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. Yeah. I'm tempted to think that he's telling us it's my way or the highway, Joker. And he, like the guy that came and said, I want to follow you, Lord, but I gotta do XYZ first. He said, Okay, well, we'll let the dead bury the dead. Right. He didn't sit there and go, Okay, we'll wait for you over here by the tree. Whenever you're done, just come back and we'll be here. It was a my way or the highway kind of thing at that time when Jesus told him that. And there's so many examples of that, and like David just said earlier about how Jesus said, Don't go in by the the wide gate, because that's the gate that leads to destruction. Go in by the narrow gate. Yeah, that's the one that leads to life. Sounds to me like he's telling you my way or the highway, bro.

David McIntyre 31:10

Look, and he's telling you, and he's telling you, there is a my way, and there is a highway.

Phillip Rich 31:16

Exactly. Exactly. So this whole thing about uh painting Jesus as some kind of like cosmic hippie that's you know, just happy to have everybody, you know, however it don't get me wrong, he does love everyone, okay. That's clear as a bell, yeah. But there's but he did also name himself as the only way and the only means by which we can access the father god, period. That doesn't change for anyone. So I wanted to get what you want.

Jon Dzyuba 31:58

Well, there I think both are true, obviously. Like he does love you, but he but there's no but that he is also king, but people have love as I think we talked about it a few weeks ago. Like loving me is just accepting me in my sin. That's how the world views love. But when God loves you, he doesn't tolerate sin. Right, and that's a major misconception. Uh, such a major misconception, but it's just it you people are deceived in ways that make it feel like it's so close. And what I mean by that is like, you know, when she's talking, I'm reminded of uh when Adam and Eve were tempted, the first the initial sin, right? Which was to make uh it's I call like an almost truth. Like what you're saying is has true things in it. But you know, what does Satan do? He's all he does is ask, like, did God really say you're gonna die? Did God really say these things? Didn't even you know start with a lie, it was just a matter of questioning the truth and saying almost truths and things that sound like they're they're close enough to be true, so you might as well just believe it. Um I think that that's an interesting strategy to use to deceive you by that where it it sounds right, it feels like it should be okay, like it feels like it's right, like why you know, does that you know and often it comes in the question of you know, did God really say this? Because you know, when Jesus was out for 40 days and 40 nights in the desert, that's what Satan uh tempted Jesus with. He used scriptures to did doesn't it say in the Bible that that you know that you'll be saved by the angels? And like, and or you know uh he uses these truths to like to bend like to deceive you in a sense, but absolutely like that's what's going on.

David McIntyre 33:47

And if you look at what Jesus did in the wilderness, Satan was feeding half truth, right? And Jesus always responded with what the word says. It is written, it is written, he gives him the full truth, yeah. He tells him what the word actually says. Can I bridge us off into a side conversation real quick?

Sin Love And The Danger Of Half Truths

Phillip Rich 34:10

Absolutely.

David McIntyre 34:11

I think there's something that just needs to be said, and I think every Christian needs to understand this and maybe even adopt it as your own because it goes back to worldview. I believe in sin. Come on, and I believe that as the word says, all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Yeah, but in the same way all have sinned, I also believe that Jesus died for us, and if we simply accept him as Lord and Savior and allow him to cleanse us, we who once were sinned will now know no more sin. It doesn't mean we won't commit a sin again, it doesn't mean we won't be wrong again, but we have an advocate, an audience with the Father. And now, whenever we make a mistake, we can come boldly to him and repent of those sins and know that the father forgives us of the things that we do. Now don't get all caught off in all this, you know. Well, what if I murder somebody or what if I jump off the top of a bridge? And it look in the everyday life, nobody's doing that stuff, right? So let's not try to make that the strong man and the con the straw man in the conversation when it really doesn't make any sense. But the reality is, is just because I'm a Christian, just because I believe what the word says, doesn't mean that I have to hate you because you have a sin in your life.

Phillip Rich 35:49

Exactly.

David McIntyre 35:52

Okay, you're struggling with homosexuality, and you might say, Well, I'm not struggling with anything, I'm gay. Okay, you're gay, I'm straight, I'm a Christian, you're a heathen. We're still okay. Because it's not me you have to answer to for the choices and decisions of your lifestyle, it's the father you have to answer to. I have no judgment for you, I have no condemnation for you. Why? It's just like the word says, I too was once in sin. Come on, I remember my own sin, I remember my stuff, and I remember that just like you, I needed a savior to cleanse me and to turn me around and to get me on the right path. So, who am I to judge you? I'm not trying to judge you, but when you ask me if you're in sin and I tell you the truth as I see it, you can't get mad at me and then tell me I'm judging you. Yeah, I'm not judging you, I'm answering your question. And I'm sorry that we don't see the world the same way, but just because you're in sin doesn't mean I stop loving you and that I stop feeling some kind of way towards you.

SPEAKER_02 37:06

Right.

David McIntyre 37:06

And so many people, this is what's wrong with Christian, non-Christian, left versus right, and all this other stuff. Everybody assumes what the other side feels and thinks. And so when we come together in the same place, you just assume that because you're gay and I'm a Christian, that means that all of a sudden we're mortal enemies. We don't have to be.

Phillip Rich 37:33

That's right.

David McIntyre 37:34

That's a choice one or the other of us make, and I'm not choosing to be your mortal enemy. I'm going to try to be your friend, and I hope that you'll see in me something that makes you more interested in Christ than you were before. And if I'm hanging around other Christians, I want to see in them something that makes me want to draw nearer to Christ more and more. And so we have we have to stop thinking this way because it's partially, and I'm let me circle back to the message. It's that kind of thinking that I feel like drives these kinds of messages.

SPEAKER_02 38:10

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

David McIntyre 38:13

And that kind of thinking is often wrong, and even we as Christians misjudge one another because one of us knows more word than the other, more of us is walking closer with God, more one of us believes a certain way, the other believes a certain way, and so now we get into who's woke and who's not woke among us as Christians.

SPEAKER_04 38:37

Yeah, it's just wild.

David McIntyre 38:39

That's all side side road done, unless somebody else wants to add something to that.

Phillip Rich 38:44

Let me just say, I I really am I'm glad you brought up that point about sin because that was one of the first things I was asking after I watched the video. I said, Where does sin fit into this picture? Like, what is what is people's perspective on sin? I almost feel like they act like sin doesn't exist. And that's yeah, it's an odd place to be because Jesus died for our sins. There's no way you can debate that scripturally, there's no way you can debate that. What the problem is, and my wife is famous for saying this, and I appreciate it every time she says it. She says we have a high estimate of our own virtue, and we don't really know our own state. Yeah, we think when when, like when the lady said, be an ethical person, you know, treat your neighbor well. We think that we're awesome when we do stuff like that. Okay, I helped a guy on the side of the road who had a flat tire. Oh, I I volunteered at the soup kitchen on Thanksgiving. But and we think that gives us some kind of moral brownie points in God's eyes, as if that can earn our way into salvation when we haven't even addressed the deeper things in our minds and hearts like pride, like racism. You know, that scripture thing about being full of dead men's bones. Dead men's bones. It's it's the same thing the Pharisees were guilty of that Jesus called them out on non-stop. He was like, You're the guys that make sure you're like the the he called them the whited sepulchres. He's like, those graves are so clean and white on the outside, but on the inside they're full of dead men's bones. You know, that's we we have a high estimate of our own virtue, and we don't even understand the state that we're in as human beings. We actually think that we can do a few charitable things, and that's just somehow going to earn our way into heaven. The man, that is the most backwards thinking possible when you haven't even dealt with the jealousy that might be in your heart, the unforgiveness that might be in your heart, the pride that you deal with, the selfishness that's there, all these things that uh are part of our character that's uh that's completely unrefined, that God has to work on us for years sometimes to get that mess out of our minds and hearts. And that is a process that only comes after you've surrendered your life to Jesus to say, hey, I can't do this myself. Yeah. You know, there's not enough good I can possibly do that can stand as adequate in God's eyes to be saved and able to stand in his presence without any sense of guilt or condemnation. Dude, if you think you can do that because you've did a couple of awesome things here and there, that you can stand before a completely holy, completely pure God and like not feel any sense of conviction or of your own sin or your own lack of complete purity and holiness compared to him, you're like C.S. Lewis said, you're playing religion, dude. You don't understand what God really is. That's why most people who actually had an experience with God that we see in the Old Testament, like Isaiah or like Jeremiah or Ezekiel, those guys that actually saw God or uh you know firsthand had a vision or an experience with God. One of the first things they always did, number one, they were afraid for their life. Number two, Isaiah said, Dude, I am undone. He said, I saw the Lord in the temple and I was undone. I knew I was a man of unclean lips. I knew I was a man who couldn't even stand before a God like that. There's just something deep down in us, if we ever really came face to face with God, we would know there's no way I can be acceptable to him when he knows every little nook and cranny of my heart and all the stuff that I've done wrong. I'm sorry. And I and I know that may sound to some people like it's like sin consciousness or you know, whatever that might be, but dude, don't play around, don't, don't act like you've got this thing together before God because you've done a few nice things here and there. Uh, there's only one way that salvation works, and that is through the sacrifice Jesus made for us, because nobody is ever going to be good enough by their works to become saved in his sight, man. Um, you know, if you are, you've got a higher estimation of your own moral uh rectitude than you should. And I and I know I might hope I don't sound too harsh. I'm just telling what I believe to be the absolute truth.

Rigid Or Loose Christianity And Scripture

David McIntyre 43:20

That's the truth, you know. Philip, well, you and you just said what you said that you know, it takes me also to Matthew 7. If you look at verse 21, it says, Not everyone who says to me, Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven. There you go, but but the one who does the will of my father who is in heaven, on that day, many will say, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and cast out demons in your name and do many mighty works in your name? And then will I declare to them, I never knew you. Depart from me, you workers of lawlessness. So you can sit around and say, Lord, didn't you see me, you know, having having uh judgeless lunch with you know these workers of iniquity you know didn't a judgeless lunch together i could think of a better way i couldn't think of a better way to say it i was trying to be i was trying to be kind about it but you say all this you you make all it lord didn't i do that didn't i feed the homeless you know because you know i'm in such a better place than they are and etc and he says in all of that doing i never knew you so in other words because you never had a personal relationship with jesus where he knew you and you knew him all of your works were empty vain and dead come on now and didn't mean a thing to him come on because that's not where the relationship starts it starts with you and Jesus it doesn't start with all of your working and all of your doing i wanted to go just another little bit away in a little bit of time that we have left Philip and and I wrote this word I wrote this down because I forgot exactly what she was saying but you know what she was really doing she was juxtaposing being rigid in your Christianity versus being loose in your Christianity yeah and and I think she would apply that those of us who believe firmly that Jesus is the way the truth and the life and no man comes to the Father except through him and all of that we're just rigid people and don't let somebody come to you saying those things because the reality of all of that statement is is it's metaphysical. And just for the record do you guys know what that term metaphysical means it means things beyond your physical observation. Yeah it's me it it's where it's the existential crisis it's like you know somebody asks well how does gravity work well you can explain that but then somebody turns around and says how does anything exist at all right and it's left up in the atmosphere as if someone's gonna answer it and it's not and calling it metaphysical puts it out there as though it's not meant to be felt or understood. Yeah and that is not the truth but see that's loose Christianity a Christianity that will allow anything is good for nothing. Wow that's and so there's a decision that we have to make and it's and yeah if you want to say that that means we're being rigid and then yes we are being rigid but we're being rigid to stick to the word and do as the Father tells us to do and not go any other way. To veer off the path is dangerous. And so to walk with God and to be in relationship with him and to understand and we understand and we do so through the knowledge of his word and by knowing that word we begin to understand how to live. We begin to understand yeah it is important for me to love my neighbor that's an important thing for me to care about them and to and to hope to see their good you know I'm not supposed to argue like Proverbs says I'm not supposed to get into it with my neighbors I'm supposed to be a blessing for my neighbor and watch out for them. You know that because of oh I'm seeing this that I'm supposed to uh walk in love towards people that means I got to be nice to people I got to operate in kindness and it begins to reshape who you are so that you don't have to do all this you know it's not all this works to get you there. It's your relationship with Jesus that gets you there. And by walking with him so many of these things just work out but if people want to call you rigid there's nothing you can do about that.

Phillip Rich 48:21

What do you have a thought about that whole concept of uh did anybody else sense that from her that she was really describing being a rigid Christian versus being loose yeah yeah John were you gonna say something I'm sorry well I I was gonna bring up what night horse commented or earlier and I think that that says exactly what I was thinking perfectly you want to call Jesus being the only way metaphysical then the part about being saved is also metaphysical you're right aka you're only metaphorically saved right there's no right there's no way about it like if it's not real to you then you being saved is not real it's a bunch of maloney that then I think she said it perfectly honestly come on now there you go absolutely and I I agree with you David as far as you know presenting this rigid version version of Christianity versus this uh loose version and the thing that that the the problem with the loose version is that it's always going to be something that goes outside of the bounds of scripture always got a compromise that's that's it and it and when that happens think about it where could the limit possibly be like you could just make anything up at that point as soon as you go off what's in what's consistent with the written you know the what's been written as soon as you go away from that you could make anything up you could tell people you know what I have coffee and scones with Jesus every morning you know and because hey if we're gonna go beyond what scripture says why not just make it all up for that for that matter and so this idea of Christ being metaphysical like you said David is purposefully engineered like that kind of thing is engineered to take Jesus out of honestly out of reality and put him in a place that's just ethereal and abstract and it's totally subjective at that point but there's nothing in the word that implies that that's what how we should treat who he is as our Lord as our savior as the living word there's nothing in the in scripture that's you know kind of hints to this idea that he's somehow this metaphysical entity that's just subject to man's interpretation.

Other Truths Gnosticism And Exclusivity

David McIntyre 50:44

As a matter of fact Peter said no scripture is of any private interpretation I think it's in second peter he's like no scripture is of any private interpretation he said you know holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Spirit uh you see that all through the scripture God is actually pretty doggone precise in what he speaks and in the things that he left for us to learn about him through his word there's nothing kind of loose and you know hey uh whatever you whatever you come up with I'm fine with it God did not he didn't go that route man he gave us you know the scripture as a safeguard and that's something that we have to understand like um even even in Acts 17 I think the the gentleman in that video mentioned it earlier uh acts 17 it said the the Berean Christians they heard the preaching but then they went and searched the scriptures to see if those things were true yeah right and that's where we need to be we need to be Bereans yes about all this stuff that we're hearing from the pulpit and I'll tell you Philip the other thing and I don't remember y'all forgive me for not remembering exactly I don't know if it was the Colossians or the I don't remember if it was the Colossians or the Thessalonicans who had that kind of triangular uh rotation with um Macedonia and Achaea I think it was okay and um but you know and even John talked about it the part of this metaphysics is part of agnosticism yeah or I'm sorry Gnosticism Gnosticism there you go yeah and that's what they were that's what these men of God when they were writing that was part of the stuff that they were dealing with this sense of you know that religion was if you know you know if you're enlightened you're enlightened if God has revealed himself to you then you know and that's a that that's Gnosticism you know that's variations of Gnosticism that are designed to try to separate you from God and to make you feel that there's some other kind of spiritual thing that's going to happen because then she turns around and at the same time that she talked about jumping into my arms and look into my eyes which is a crock of crap um she then turns around and says this isn't some kind of exclusive experience au contraire right it's an extremely exclusive experience that's designed for everyone to walk through yeah but you have to choose it it is exclusive because God is specifically concerned about you as an individual as well as you as a whole part of the community and part of the body of Christ. So yes there is exclusivity in the things of God and exactly how he brings you up and brings you out and works through the things that he works through in your lives there's those are exclusive those are exclusive to you now we may be able to talk and say I had the same experience yep God did the same thing to me but you know what what how he worked it through wasn't the same for me as he worked it through with Phil we had the same broad experience but the details that worked through God was very specific for me and spoke to me how he spoke to me spoke to Philip how he spoke to Philip spoke to John how he spoke to John and each one of us had an exclusive experience with the father that though we may able to we may be able to agree about the overarching experience it was still exclusive and then just one other thing she said and I'll um I'm I'll stop talking about her um all of that opened her up to exactly what Phil was talking about there are other truths in this world yeah that last little part wow wow yeah other truths in this world so now because you're jump looking Jesus in the eye and jumping into his arms and you're out in the medical metaphysical who's what's it now you are open to other truths and there's no way to the father except through Jesus you can know every other truth you can study the Quran you can study the Bhagavad Gita you can go through all of these books all the you can do the prayers uh you know I had a friend who knew I was a Christian but he was still trying to get me to do uh Muslim prayers so when he wanted to sit down and talk to me about something we had a dig disagreement with he's like okay you pray first and I prayed and I was very young at this point and I wasn't really walking with Jesus but I had I knew enough and then he's like now you say uh Namio Huringe kyo and I like a fool am sitting up there saying it like um but I'm in my mind I'm like what are we doing here yeah I don't even know what that means but you will you will uh you will allow people to walk you straight into deception because you've opened yourselves up to other truths in the world yes absolutely imagine looking at your spouse and being like I want you I want you I want you but at the same time there are other spouses out there how how goofy does how goofy do you sound right I want you you are like this is what I want but at the same time I fully recognize that there are other people out there for me and I want them to that's just bananas one of those things is true and I promise you it's not the first part where you want to use this sounds goofy you sound goofy yeah yes I I had this thought earlier and we don't have to harp into it too long um because it could be a whole tangent but if you look at history how many people do you see that take the truth and they add to it and they and they make it sound metaphysical or super you know I'm not gonna say what groups of people these are because I don't want to I don't want to get gaslit on the internet or not gaslit I don't want to get uh doxxed on the internet but there are groups of people that have been developed from from certain leaders who add on to the truth who just who take a little bit of the liberty of of you know if you step out of the bounds of the Bible now you have the freedom to say well Jesus met me in in my room actually now I had to go dig up golden tablets and that's that was the the third testament or you know now I had this other revelation because we're taking the Bible out of context and so there's so many people in history it's not even a it is a current thing too but you know it it's not it's not a new concept you just have to look into history a little bit and realize how many people have already done that how many people still do that today but that that's I'll leave that part at that yeah I'll just throw this piece on there John it's Matthew 518 and it again this is why we gotta know our word you guys john 518 says for truly I say unto you until heaven and earth pass away not an iota not a dot or one the new king james said the king james says not a jot or a tittle will pass from the law until all is accomplished in other words people can try to change this word as much as they want to uh but the truth is going to be revealed because it's going to come to pass yeah that's that's the thing that nobody can play with say what you want but one day we're all going to be confronted with a truth yeah when this thing comes to pass and all of a sudden some of us here come up here and the rest of y'all see a bunch of clothes and realize there are a bunch of butt naked angels and people up in the air now clothed in glory um then you're gonna be like oh my gosh I should have believed it's gonna be too late you're gonna go through some stuff at that point I don't want to go through nothing I want up out of here what the point that the Lord wants me to be up out of here so y'all can have that stuff sorry that almost rubbed off you guys that's that's we're gonna call it a wrap right here um because we could go on and on and on yeah but if you don't get anything else from us hear us tell you the reason why we can dissect what she's saying is because a knowledge of the word and even like the Bereans I want to go back to the Bereans because they are the standard bearers that they didn't assume that they knew they went back and looked it up and that's what you guys should do. Go back and see if the word is true. We've you've heard Philip and I talk about it our pastor used to say and this is why we are the way we are he would tell us don't believe it because I said it go look it up for yourself. That's right and that was the habit we grew up with and it's the habit we maintain and I just it's the same thing I'm so concerned you know the statistics say that Gen Z is coming to Christ in large numbers right now. That's so good it's good news but at the same time if this is what they're hearing out there we're still in trouble. That's right we're still in trouble.

Final Prayer And How To Connect

Phillip Rich 1:00:46

So pray for the church pray for pastors pray for leaders no more TED talks in church but truth that changes lives and no more foolishness but that we walk out real Christian lives in and out of church so that we can be the believers God called us to be Philip any last thoughts no I I I agree with you 100% man um always always stick with what God's word says stick with the scriptures that have been given to us if you'll notice uh Jesus was always referring to the written word always over and over again he said it is written and then sometimes when the Pharisees would come with a question try to trap him in his words he would always say well what does your law say what is written in the word you know over and over again even when they arrested him and I think Peter was trying to you know cut the guard's ear off and all this stuff and Jesus said hey hey wait a minute let's not do this because how else can the scriptures be fulfilled if I don't get uh get arrested right now you know I mean I'm kind of implying some of that but he did say how can the scriptures be fulfilled unless this actually uh happens and and we go through with this so he was always conscious of what the scripture said he was not winging it he was on a mission based on God's written word and and that's what I want to emphasize over and over again and we always do on this podcast guys we will always direct you back to the written word it is your safeguard it is the thing that you check every truth claim against it is what is on what is in the pages of this Bible and if you don't know it well enough it is easy to get deceived and so that's why we have to refer to the anchor of our soul which is the scriptures so just wanted to share that before we we close out so yeah and just remember it's okay to not necessarily it's okay it's okay that you don't you're not a kung fu master in the word yet right but you don't get there by not doing the day by day by day by day so make sure you're doing the day by day so it becomes a part of you. And we are all still learning and always will be still learning from the word for sure.

David McIntyre 1:03:00

So absolutely absolutely I just called Philip yesterday and told him something I said Philip I don't recall ever seeing the scripture and I know I've read that I've read that verse a hundred times yeah and it just but it just popped out and God will do that for you. Father bless these people as they are hearing and watching this Lord God let it resonate with them Lord and let them see things a little differently Lord God but most important and let importantly let them draw nearer to you and relate with and to you in Jesus' name's name amen all right that's it for this episode we're so glad that you've joined us uh for the next episode we got a few surprises for you we got a couple of new things coming down the pipe that uh well it won't be down the pipe then it'll be alive then it'll be ready um we'll be we'll be like Frankenstein you know we'll be like it's alive and uh we'll be like oh my look at that it's alive and so uh we're so glad to be doing this uh we're really passionate about this and we're passionate about you walking with God day by day and we're so grateful for it don't forget to connect with us on social media don't forget to like and subscribe and don't forget to write down in the um in the comments what you're drinking tonight and if you have any questions or comments or anything like that don't hesitate to reach out to us you can reach us at Gott Brew at Biblebrosbrew.com Bible Brosbrew dot com all right until next time I'm David East Phillip that's John in the middle and we are out