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True Humility vs. False Humility — What the Bible Really Says | Bible, Bros & Brew
What does the Bible really say about humility?
In this episode of Bible, Bros & Brew, David and Phil delve into the distinction between genuine humility and false humility, exploring how the world’s concept of “being humble” often falls short of God’s heart.
They unpack 1 Peter 5:5-7, explore how false humility hides behind religious performance, and show why genuine humility begins with trusting and depending on God.
Grab your Bible, your notebook, and your favorite brew, and join the conversation as we explore how true humility leads the way to transformation.
⏰ Timestamps:
0:00 – Intro & “What’s in the Cup” ☕
3:40 – Why humility is deeper than you think
14:30 – 1 Peter 5:5-7 — Dressing yourself in humility
21:20 – Putting on the servant’s apron: humility in action
24:20 – False humility vs. true humility
29:10 – Religious performance vs. surrender
40:40 – Humility leads the way to restoration
53:10 – Final takeaway & closing prayer
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What is humility? When we hear that word, a lot of times we think about it in terms of, oh, I'm just so lowly and I'm not worth a thing, and I'm just my, you know, I'm just a worm crawling around, and all that kind of stuff kind of comes to your mind. A lot of the religious definitions of humility that may be a little bit awkward and clumsy when you really start digging into the word to find out what the biblical uh understanding of humility actually is. So we're gonna talk about that tonight on Bible Bros and Brew. We're gonna dig into this uh this word humility and the concept behind it, according to what God's word actually says. Stay tuned, it's gonna be a good one. Welcome everyone to this episode of Bible Bros and Brew. My name is Philip, and of course, with me I have the bros, and we all have the brew. Uh to my I always point the wrong way. To my what is this, my right, your left is David. I've got Ryan down this, whoops, down that way, and then I've got John. I can never do the weather on TV, that's for sure. And we got uh John John down there underneath. Um, we have been on the subject or talking on the subject of pride versus humility. We've been digging into that over the past, oh, I don't know, five or six episodes of the podcast. Uh, as always, we want to encourage you to check out those previous episodes. But tonight we're digging more into the humility side of things. Uh, because the Bible, and I think David even mentioned it earlier, it's one of those things where once we started getting into studying humility, you realize it's actually a little more difficult to cover this thing than you may have initially thought, because it's one of the deeper subjects in the Bible. It's one of those things that uh it's a quality that God definitely encourages us to walk in. If you look all through the letters of the New Testament, especially, Paul encourages us to have lowliness of mind and to let the same mind be in us that was also in Christ, you know, to approach things with a lowly uh attitude. And then we also have uh 1 Peter when he talks about be clothed with humility. Uh, I think James 4 or 5 says, uh, humble yourself under the mighty hand of God that he may exalt you in due time. Uh whoops, that's Peter. Anyway, James says God that res he God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble. Uh well, they both kind of say it. So hey, I guess I didn't lose on that one too far. Um, but but we definitely um once we started digging into it, we started realizing this here, it isn't something you can just kind of skim over and think that you understand it. It takes some digging, it takes some study, and it takes some real tapping into what the Spirit of God is saying uh behind these scriptures to get a good working concept of humility. And the one thing we also want to do as we're going through this is not only define what it is, but also identify some things that it's not, because you don't want to get over into what they call false humility, where that can actually be a barrier to you walking in true humility. So um, yes, John.
SPEAKER_00:But uh Yeah, we need to revisit what you just said there. That's um we didn't talk about that for a minute.
SPEAKER_01:Praise God, praise God. So um, before we get into all the juicy stuff, though, we're gonna we're gonna start off with the favorite question here at Bible Bros and Brew. That is, what is in the cup? So I do apologize for my oh yeah, what is in the cup? There we go. Okay.
SPEAKER_00:Waiting for it. But um delayed reaction sound effect.
SPEAKER_01:That's all right. I um I got a little choppiness in my camera, so forgive me for that. Um, actually, this is how I move in real life, it's just it's extraordinary. Um frames and seconds, but um, anyway, so let me start with Ryan. What do you have in your cup, sir?
SPEAKER_03:What's going on? Um, I've got an Americano in the Christmas cup, yeah, which am I thinking? It's never too early, it's a little early.
SPEAKER_00:Um, no, no, it's not too early.
SPEAKER_03:Um, don't be ashamed. Don't be ashamed. No, I'm not. Um, because we still have to get through Thanksgiving. I mean, yeah, yeah. You know, Thanksgiving is like the official for me, the official start of Christmas. Um, for sure, and really anybody with any sanity. Um, so I highly recommend you get on board with that. Um, but this is uh from Dutch Brothers. So yeah, nice dude.
SPEAKER_00:That I haven't told you this yet, Ryan, but they just opened a Dutch Brothers in Smyrna. Oh snap. I believe it's Dutch, I believe it's Dutch Brothers that's over there in Smyrna now. That's so weird. Well, we're getting big boy coffee over here, y'all.
SPEAKER_01:Man, I remember first time I tried Dutch Brothers, it was when we were out in Colorado on our road trip back in 2020. And that, oh my goodness, that was probably a bad thing for us to be so close to it where we where we were, you know. We our hotel was like literally in the same parking lot as the Dutch Brothers, so we were just hitting that bad boy up, man. But uh, it's good coffee, man. Dutch brothers is on point.
SPEAKER_02:So is that a potential live recording episode recorded in Dutch Brothers Cafe? Is that what I hear was gonna happen?
SPEAKER_03:Never been to a Dutch Brothers, John, and that's very apparent. You don't go in Dutch Brothers, you go it's uh it's a it's like a drive-thru only coffee place.
SPEAKER_01:They don't have any Eden Dutch Brothers. I didn't know. Okay, gotcha. Because yeah, the one we did was drive-thru, but I know they had the like ones that had a same model. Okay, nice, good stuff. Got them.
SPEAKER_03:Let me uh here, I'll show you. See, it's uh always just like this, you know. This kind of thing.
SPEAKER_02:That's cool. It's cool, but also sometimes you just want to walk in and talk to somebody.
SPEAKER_00:Well, that's their no, that's only a few of you people out there.
SPEAKER_03:Well, look, I'll stand corrected. I've never seen one like this, but uh, but no, even that's all outside. Yeah, that's all outside.
SPEAKER_01:I'll tell you what, the thing that really got me was when we pulled up to the drive-thru window, they had 80s music blasting from the inside. So I was like, Yeah, this is my kind of place here, dude.
SPEAKER_03:So whatever that is, like they come actually come out and they talk to you, and there's like all kinds of like parody videos on YouTube. You gonna go watch them, like and they're true because they do like they come out and they make like small talk and they're like holding their iPad, they're like, Oh, how are you doing? Oh man, we hope you have a brutal day, go with the gobbledygoo.
SPEAKER_02:I was excited to go, but all of us for some reason I don't want to go to Dutch Brothers.
SPEAKER_03:No, they do, and then they're like, Would you be delighted to leave us a tip?
SPEAKER_01:Oh gosh, oh boy. Well, uh, we still shop Dutch Brothers out uh for the coffee if for nothing else. Praise God. So that's it. But um, okay, John, what about you, sir? What's in your cup?
SPEAKER_02:Man, uh that's a great question. In my cup, I have not Starbucks, just to put it out there, just to clear the air. Um thank you. Thank you. Um, I have this interesting coffee. It's called Happy. Uh this particular particular happy coffee is uh in coordination with or in collaboration with Bero. If you don't know what Happy is, Happy is a brand that Robert Downey Jr. started. And yes, I'm just gonna put it out there. I got it because I'm like, wow, I know that guy. I I want his coffee just because I know the man. Um but then um Sabrina pointed out their whole mission statement, which did I did like a lot, and I feel like um I I can't paraphrase it enough. I feel like so I'm just gonna read it off to you. Their whole spiel is mental health, is just health. Um, and so they said happy isn't always easy. So they've partnered with uh a group called NAMI, which is the largest mental health organization in the US to bring you hope and help when great coffee just isn't enough.
SPEAKER_00:Um, and so just for that alone, nothing like a little coffee-induced anxieties.
SPEAKER_02:Oh man, it's good. It's not now that I put that out there, it's not like my top 10 favorite coffee, uh, but it is good, it's got like citrusy notes to it. It feels it feels like fall, and of course, the collaborated with B Row, which is something that I've already drunk, drank, drinked before. Um so it's it's I don't know. I'm having a good time. It's a great cup of coffee for what they stand for, you know.
SPEAKER_01:There you go. That's what I'm talking about, dude. Good stuff. Well, shout out to the happy folks at happy coffee and uh and to Robert Downey Jr. for being Iron Man. We appreciate that. Thank you for Iron Man, Robert Downey Jr. You're doing great. All right, well, David, how about you, sir?
SPEAKER_00:All right, tonight I am back to an old favorite in the spirit of the holiday season. I've got um, oh gosh, that's a bright light. Let's see if that picks up. Nope, it's not gonna pick up. This is Jim's organic. This is uh double choble chocolate.
SPEAKER_01:Nice, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:So it's got the nice warm hints of chocolate in it. Um, it's a lot of chocolate in it. It tastes like a coffee coco, a little bit okay. So highly recommended for you. Uh once again, that is Jim's organic double chocolate.
SPEAKER_01:Nice, man. Good stuff, dude.
SPEAKER_00:Rich chocolate in every sip.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yes, we love it, man. Uh, I know you've featured Jim's quite a bit before, too. So um I I I know they've got to be good if you keep if you're if you're in if they're in the regular rotation, I know they've got to be good.
SPEAKER_00:So good stuff. What peregrine do you bring to the table tonight?
SPEAKER_01:Dude, I was raving over this peregrine before we started uh the live stream, but um, it's their new Columbia Finca El Roble. Yes, I tried to roll my R for that one, but um thank you, man. It it's uh it has notes of orange soda violet, which I forgot was also a flower. I'm like, how can it have a note of a color? And then I remember that violet's also a flower, uh, and then notes of blackberry as well. To be honest, I don't know that I taste any of those things in particular, but it is so darn good that I don't care. So um it's just it all works together for the good. That's all I can say, man. But the guys at Peregrine, man, you know, they're near and dear to our hearts here at Bible Bros Brew. So I want to give them a shout out as they continue their roasting mission in Colorado. Appreciate you guys, man.
SPEAKER_02:So near near and dear to one particular heart, very, very much so.
SPEAKER_00:No, I gotta say, I love Peregrine too, so that's two hearts.
SPEAKER_02:There we go, man. There we go.
SPEAKER_00:You need to actually try some peregrine in order for it to be a part of your heart, too.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, yes, try it out. I'm waiting for uh I'm waiting for the the special delivery from from Uncle Phil over here.
SPEAKER_00:That's when we go back to the 90s and we're like, no, my brother. That's a holy but commercial look it up.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, oh yeah, that man, dude. That that that you dug into the archives for that one, man. So but so that's what's in our cups tonight or today, or whenever you happen to be listening to this. Uh, now we're gonna talk about what is in the word, and as we mentioned earlier, it's all about humility, the the subject of humility and what the Bible actually says about that word, because again, people can have different conceptions of what humility is or what it means, but it's not necessarily what the biblical definition of humility is. And that's something that we talk about quite a bit here on the podcast, is that it's important to let the Bible define the Bible. We're big believers in that. Uh, that's why I think it's important, and I know David and everybody here think it's important to invest in Bible study tools as well. Like we talk about getting a concordance, Bible dictionaries, uh, there's all kinds of great Bible softwares and websites that you can uh really use to dig into the word. And it comes in handy for things like this. Like if you if you just have a conception of humility just based on maybe what you've heard over the years, or uh even maybe traditional religious kind of interpretations of it, it may not be incorrect, but it could be incomplete. And so we want to take this time in this episode uh in line with the things we've already talked about to really dig into the definition of humility according to what the Bible actually says. So, with that in mind, I think David, uh you you mentioned 1 Peter 5 as maybe our jumping off point. Was I right about that?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, we can start there. You know, we can um, you know, I've I've been thinking about this concept of, you know, it's we have when you when you think about what we've talked about with pride and humility and specifically last week when we did was it last week? Maybe it was the week before, but we got off into the concept of Jesus washing the disciples' feet. Oh yeah. And um, you know, that was uh that was a moment where humility reigned. And one of the things we talked about also is that every time that humility shows up, um then one of the things that follows is God exalts you, and that means that there is a restoration that happens if you've fallen, and there's a double portion that comes with that, because he does more than where you were at that time. Yeah, when we look here at first Peter um five and seven, and let me just turn there for myself if you don't mind, uh just sometimes it's easier for me to read it off of my own screen.
SPEAKER_01:For sure.
SPEAKER_00:Um, I think let's look at the um let's try the new living translation and see how it serves us today. When we look at 1 Peter uh 5 and through 7, it says, in the same way, you who are younger, so it's picking up uh from an earlier thought that started uh in verse 1 where he's talking to the elders of the church and how um you know they had been a witness to the sufferings of Christ and how they're to share in his uh share in his glory and so forth. Um, then he appeals to them, to the elders, to care for the flock of God, which has been entrusted to them, and to watch over that flock. And then they go through and then they come here to verse five, then he starts talking to the younger men, and he says, In the same way, you who are younger must accept the authority of the elders. And listen to this it says, and all of you dress yourselves in humility as you relate to one another. For God opposes the proud, opposes the proud, and gives grace to the humble. So humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, or the King James says, Under the mighty hand of God. This says under the mighty power of God, and at the right time he will lift you up in honor. The King James says, in due season, he will exalt you in due season. And verse seven, it says, Give all your worries and cares to God, for he cares for you. And so if we start and look at verse five, I thought it was interesting, and I started looking up in the concept of application of how do we apply humility to our lives. He says here, Peter says here that we're to dress ourselves in humility as if we're putting on a garment. And as I looked at that and kind of went into the commentary on it and looked at some other stuff, I came across something that was very interesting. And John, you can try to follow along if you want to, because it can be a little confusing, but I'll try to make it make sense because it's gonna be a mixture of the Greek words as well as the English words that may not necessarily make sense, but I'll help it make sense. Um, but when he talks about getting dressed, he's talking about a knot or a band, which is part of uh a serving apron. And he says, by which two things are fastened together to fasten or to gird oneself. Um so there was a white, basically, there's a white scarf or apron uh for the slaves, which was fastened to the girdle of the vest. So there was some kind of top covering, and then there was a girdle around the waist covering, and then the two fastened together, and it distinguished slaves from free men. Hence, first Peter 5 5, it says, gird yourselves with humility as your servile garb. By putting on humility, show your subjection to one another. So, in other words, it tells us to put on humility as if we were putting on a servant's garment and go serve, right? It's not just a servant's garment with no purpose, you put on the servant's garment because you're in the process of doing service, and typically an apron is designed to protect your clothes from underneath. Now, just think about Jesus. When we saw Jesus wipe the disciple's feet, what did we see him do? We saw him put on a girdle and then begin the process of watching each disciple's feet. Again, we see Jesus, in one sense, you might say, clothing himself in humility. He was clothing himself to do the work of actually taking care of each disciple's feet. And so when we think about this concept of humility, and once again, let's just define humility. It means to get it means to get low, to condescend to a low degree. We talked about it meaning to be dependent upon God to lean into Him for everything you are and everything you need. And we said the reciprocal that happens from that is that when we lean into God for everything we are and everything we need, God has a way of leaning back into us, providing supply and resources.
SPEAKER_04:Thank you, Lord.
SPEAKER_00:And so when you think about the concept of leaning yourself totally into God, see yourself putting on that apron because as part of my leaning into God, I'm leaning into him to serve. Yeah, I'm leaning into him to be available for whatever the father calls me to, whatever he brings me to. I was thinking also about something else, Philip. You know, where you know, we were looking at in church on Sunday, we've been looking at Job. And, you know, God bought to Job when you start getting in chapters 38 and 39 and so forth, after all the friends had said their stuff. You know, God never came to Job with a specific accusation or demand, but he simply approached Job in question.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Who who caused the ocean to go from here to here? Tell me if you can. Tell me who caused the sky to be blue and for the firmament to do X, and only that. Tell me if you can, Job. And what he did there, what we see there is that uh Job was humbled.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And Job was reminded that despite his situation and circumstances, that he was not God, God was God, and all of his questions, all of his thought processes, all of the meandering of the friends around what had happened and what was happening to Job meant nothing to God. And we see that humility, and we see we see Job then say, I am nothing. Just just simply that, I am nothing. You could almost see Job putting on his garment, Lord, I'm nothing. Let me go ahead and serve.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And so that I I think if we if we start by thinking about humility as putting on our servant's garment to serve the father, and by serving the father, serving others, we begin to take a proper look at what humility really is. And if you find yourself in a position where you're talking about humility, but what you're doing isn't serving someone else, I would question if what you're doing is true humility. Wow. Which which brings me back to the point because you bought it up, Philip, and I think it's a good point to talk about. What in the world then would false humility be?
SPEAKER_01:Oh boy. Um when we think of false humility, it's so it's so clever in how it can be it can masquerade as real humility that it's it almost can go undetected. The thing that really distinguishes false humility from real humility is I think first of all, motive, number one, but then number two, how much does it agree with God's word? Because there's a lot of things people say, a lot of things that they, you know, bring, you know, put forth uh that they say is scriptural, but it actually is not. And if what you say or how you live is not agree is not in agreement with God's word, it's and even though you're saying you're doing it in the name of humility or to be humble, it actually is anything but, and it can actually be opposite of what of what actual true humility is. Because I say that because true humility is when you agree with what God says, even with what he says about you. And the first thing that comes to my mind uh when I think about this is like uh the different people God came to in the Bible and told them, Hey, I need to use you for this, I've got an assignment for you. And when they tried to respond back to God, like, God, no way, I can't do that, you know. Like with Gideon, he's like, Look, God, no, I I can't lead no army. I'm my family's the least in the in the nation of Israel, and I'm just a big clown or whatever he was thinking, you know. Um, but yet the angel came to Gideon and said, You mighty man of valor. In other words, the angel was calling Gideon what God had already pronounced over him and how God already saw Gideon. God, God knew who Gideon was on the inside. Gideon was more concerned with his current um status in life and that type of thing, the conditions that were around him, but to where he wasn't really even aware of the things God had already put in him. And until Gideon made the decision to go forth and and do what God told him to do and lead that army, uh, it wasn't until then that God was able to act on Gideon's behalf. And and and of course, the result was you know defeating uh the enemy and things like that. But but it took Gideon agreeing with God, even though at first he he just couldn't see it God's way, he had to humble himself in order to agree with God. And I think a lot of times we we can miss that because we think that by being self-deprecating, by always insulting or degrading or demeaning ourselves, that somehow that's making ourselves more humble. But actually, if God has pronounced something over you and said, Hey, you are this, then for you to say, No, God, I'm not, that's actually an act of pride and not an act of humility. So false humility. Um, big big distinct uh distinction there, man.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I want to throw two uh a scripture at you, Philip, and let you riffle that a little bit more, too. If we look at Colossians 2, starting at 18, it says, I'm gonna read the New Living Translation. Okay, it says, Don't let anyone condemn you by insisting on pious self-denial or the worship of angels, saying they have had visions about things, their sinful minds have made them proud, and they are not connected to Christ, the head of the body, for he holds the whole body together with its joints and ligaments, and it grows as God nourishes it. So, in other words, there's no there's this there's this sense of piousness and self-denial that can make you feel like you're operating in humility when you're really not, all you're doing is denying the body. If you look at verse 20, it says, You've died with Christ, and he has set you free from the spiritual powers of this world. So, why do you keep on following the rules of the world, such as don't handle, don't taste, don't touch? Such rules are mere human teachings about things that deteriorate as we use them. These rules may seem wise because they require strong devotion, pious self-denial, self-denial, and severe bodily discipline, but they provide no help in conquering a person's evil desires.
SPEAKER_01:O M G.
SPEAKER_00:And you see it, Phil. You can see how functioning humility, as we saw it in in previous stories, as we saw it in the uh the prodigal son, as we saw it with Nebuchadnezzar. You know, we saw that the move towards humility by restoral and life change. Yeah, yeah, but he's saying, you following the rules, he's just think about it. God has set you free and said it's not what goes in a man's mouth that defiles him, it's what comes out of his mouth, yeah, that defiles him. And so God is sitting here telling you it's not about your clean hands while you're washing those dishes and touching your pots. It's not about all these rules that have made about when you should do this, when you do the phylactery this way, when you do all this other stuff. He says none of that matters. And he says, and then you get out here and you act extra pious. Well, remember, we saw that. We saw that in the Pharisees who were sitting out in the streets looking pious. They were looking like, look, look how holy I am, look how righteous I am. But none of it was true.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And Matthew chapter 6 tells us they have their reward. They look the part and people see them. Congratulations, boys. You've made it.
SPEAKER_01:That's good, man.
SPEAKER_00:But he's sitting here telling us that that pious behavior, even your self-denial, you know, you can be struggling with an addiction to pornography, and you say, I'm just not gonna do it. And you can deny yourself the access to porn, but you know what? That typically will only last for a period of time. And then before you know it, you give your way up to walk back in that instead of functioning in humility and say, God, I can't give it up unless you help me.
SPEAKER_04:Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_00:And yielding yourself back over to him. And the same thing as with severe bodily discipline. You have people who are out there. I see people at the gym all the time, and they're working out and they're working out and they're working out. And you can sometimes wonder what is motivating you to do that. I know why I'm there. I need to lose some weight. And so I know what I'm working out for, but what do other people work out for? And you can see some people, you know, I've I'm I don't I'm not gonna name his name because I don't want him to show up one day and say my name. But there's this guy who's very well known in some circles, and he's all about pushing his body to the nth degree. And I he decided to go on a hundred-mile run to just push himself that way, push himself and to go over the edge. And I'm like, I appreciate that, but what is the value in that if you're at home beating your wife?
SPEAKER_01:See, let's talk about that. Yeah, yeah. You've got the wrong thing to brew it, yeah, and see that's the thing. Um, and and I wanted to, I don't know, John, if you can pull up the good news Bible translation for that same Colossians um passage. This is some good stuff, man. And it's important that we talk about it because I think people do confuse religious performance with true with true humility, you know, and and and those words, Philip.
SPEAKER_00:You said those words, religious performance, and let me tell you, I no longer believe in black church, white church, except in some negative senses. But that's you what you just said is a great example, and black people don't be mad at me because I'm about to tell the truth. We do so much, we well, we do it in both churches, because I now I now know how to spot it in white church too. But in black church, we do a lot of that performative behavior, watch out, a lot of a lot of that putting up just for the just for the show. Wow, wow, yeah, it's yeah, still living like hell, still living like hell.
SPEAKER_01:See, and that's the thing, it's like okay, you can shout, you can stomp, you can run around the church and do all that stuff while the praise music is you know, on that whole thing. Wow, but then then you go right out the door and cuss your your husband out, or you know, treat the treat the lady at Walmart bad when you're trying to return an item, you know, and it's like God's way more interested in your character than shame on us. That's right, man. Shame on us, dude, for sure. If we if we get into all that foolishness, man, not good. It's not what God uh God's not pleased with that, man. He he's not a fan of that, and that's why Jesus had such a strong rebuke for the Pharisees, because these people were were known for being uh the the top performers in terms of religious, you know, uh external religious display, but their hearts were corrupt. I think it was in Luke 16, it said the Pharisees were covetous. And so when Jesus even mentioned something about uh uh money, it was a parable he was teaching about money, it said the Pharisees that were covetous derided him. You know, they were they were trying to make fun of Jesus for talking about you know kingdom principles in terms of financial management. They were like, ah man, you know, who is this clown? You know, it it was it was starting to strike a nerve because Jesus knew what their hearts were, he knew what their motives were. But um, but John, I don't know if you got that good news Bible translation up, but if you do, we'll check it out because I wanted to to uh hit that last little section. Same one David just covered. Uh verse 20, it says, You have died with Christ and are set free from the ruling spirits of the universe. Boy, there's a whole teaching on that, but we won't get into it. But it says, Why then do you live as though you belong to the world? Why do you obey such rules as don't handle this, don't taste that, don't touch the other? This gets into all kinds of stuff, like, you know, anyway, I won't go too deep into it, but in my family, we don't drink soft drinks, you know, it could get, you know, way far and into into some, I think, uh personal things that Romans 14 talks about. It's like, okay, maybe you only want to eat meat, you don't want to, maybe you only want to eat vegetables, you don't want to be a uh a meat eater. That doesn't mean you condemn everybody who eats meat, you know, and things like that. So, but we won't get off into that right now. Um, he says, verse 22 all these, talking about the rules and and these religious standards we set up for ourselves, all these refer to things which become useless once they're used. They are only human rules and teachings. And of course, such rules appear to be based on wisdom in their forced worship of angels and false humility and severe treatment of the body. But listen to this. But they have no real value in controlling physical passions, they have no real value in controlling physical passions, and this made me think of something that I read about a while back. Um, and I'm not trying to call out any denominations or whatever, but there's a certain religious group that practices what they call the mortification. And they get they get it, bro, they get it from supposedly, you know, uh Romans 6 when it says mortify the deeds of the body. Uh, but they have this like little rope, like a cord with a little thing on the end of it, like a knot on the end of it, and they literally whip themselves with this cord. And it's supposed to be an act of, you know, I'm I'm treating my body harshly to put down those fleshly impulses. And I'm like, bro, bottom line, you can't kill a tree by cutting off the leaves. You can't kill a tree by cutting off the leaves. If you think that your lust is going to be cured by whipping yourself with a cord, you've missed it by a country mile, dude. Uh it goes a lot deeper than that. James 1 tells us, he said, you know, every man is tempted when he's drawn away of his own lust and enticed. And those things come from an internal situation, not, you know, how much can I starve my body this week? Can I whip it with a rope or whatever? And that's going to somehow discipline my flesh. No, bro, the flesh is actually the uh a mindset more than it is what your body's doing. Because that's what what uh Paul talked about in Romans 8. He said, the carnal mind is enmity against God because it's not subject to God's law and it never will be. You know, he was saying that in order to get out of carnality, it's a what you do up here, it's what you do in your heart to fill your mind and heart with God's word and renew your mind with his word. And then all of a sudden, the Spirit of God in you starts prompting you to make different choices. And so now you're attacking it from a root cause uh perspective instead of from, hey, if I you know fast for three days in a row, that's gonna cure my lust. Bro, trust me when I say, if you don't let the Lord Jesus Christ begin to do a work in your heart, it ain't gonna change. Nothing's gonna change. You you might be able to get, you know, make a little bit of progress, a little incremental progress for maybe a couple days or maybe even a week. But I'm telling you, you'll boomerang right back to the same old mess if you don't start renewing your mind and start viewing sin or whatever you're dealing with for what it really is, as something that God knows is damaging to the human being. Not something that I wish I could do, but I can't because the Bible tells me not to. But rather, I didn't I need to stay away from that because that's actually uh poison disguised as a candy treat. You know what I mean? So um I know I'm kind of going, I'm I'm a little bit in a ramble situation, but uh I think you know, the the point being that you can't solve these deeper issue problems with superficial means. And true humility is when we say, I'm gonna submit to what God's word says and and and renew my mind to what his word says, and I'm gonna yield to that. And if he says I need to stay away from that, then I stay away from him. I make the decisions that line up with what he says. And then after a while, you start noticing your mind gets rewired to where now it's not even just okay, I successfully fight off temptation. Now it doesn't even really pull at me anymore like it used to. And that's when you start to make some progress, man.
SPEAKER_00:You know, Philip, as you're as you're sitting here talking, you know what I'm seeing? I'm seeing that humility leads the way.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I I'm it's it's just clarifying in my mind that you know in every situation, every circumstance, you know, even when you're not born again, you gotta humble yourself and say, I admit that I'm a sinner. You've got to get low in order to make that admission. You can't make that admission from a high place. Come on, bro. Because that's not that high place will have you confused. And so you have to get low to admit you're a sinner, to admit, God, I'm still addicted to this porn. This stuff has got me, to admit, Lord, I know that I've got I'm having sex outside of my marriage, or I'm having an affair, to say, Lord, I know that I'm I'm I'm struggling with food and this overeating. All of this, all of this stuff to begin to get right with God, it all calls us to start by humbling ourselves. We have to get low before God and just it it it leads the way.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, it does.
SPEAKER_00:And it's from that place where we say, Lord, here's my problem. I need you to help me that we start leaning into the father, and the father starts nursing and nurturing us and helping us to grow from that point. If we don't get too far ahead of ourselves, because you know what, Philip? I've had times where I've gotten low before God, and then he started nurturing and cleaning me up, and I thought I was clean already, and got out in pride and start doing crazy stuff again and being like, But Lord, I thought I was fixed. Yeah, you thought you were fixed.
SPEAKER_01:Oh my gosh, I know exactly what you're talking about, man.
SPEAKER_00:Oh I didn't say you were ready, you decided you were ready because you've you felt a little better, you know. We even did it in the natural, yeah. You know, you get a little cold, and then like in the fourth day, you feel a little better, you get up and start doing all this stuff around the house, and by that night you feel so bad because you absolutely exhausted yourself, yeah. You go back in the bed for three days because of what you did on that one day, yeah. Instead of just laying, just staying there rested in the Lord's arms and letting him finish the work that he begun in you. And what the there's scripture that says that that he who began a good work in you will finish it.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, yes, will finish it. Thank you, Jesus.
SPEAKER_00:So it's you know, I just I'm beginning to see that humility leads the way, yeah. And not only does it lead the way, but then humility keeps us, it sustains us. Goodness as long as we keep that garment on and we stay serving Jesus and stay at his feet, ready to be used of him and doing exactly what he says. Because think about Jesus, Jesus said, I only do what the father tells me to do. Yeah, I only say what the father tells me to say. How more leaned in could he possibly be than that? Right, right, say that by every move. Go ahead, Phil. Go ahead, go ahead.
SPEAKER_01:I'm sorry, man, I got excited, but but he even said, uh, I don't do anything except my father tells me to do it. You know, he said, I seek, I seek not my own will, but the will of him who said it. Come on, dude. That that to me is like that's the ultimate humility where you literally don't have your own agenda anymore. You know, you're simply like, whatever God says is right, that's what I'm gonna say is right. Whatever God says is wrong, that's what I'm gonna say is wrong. That's true humility. That's you giving up your own definitions of it. And and I think that was part of the reason why. Um, well, that's part of the that was part of the makeup of Adam and Eve's initial sin was that they thought that they could have a different conception of life and wisdom and morality and right versus wrong than what God was gonna tell them and instruct them in. And that was the whole deal. You know, uh God said, Hey, stay away from that tree of knowledge of good and evil. You know, don't, don't, don't eat any fruit from it. And then Satan comes to tempt Eve and he says, Hey, look, the only reason why God's telling you that is because he knows that if you eat that fruit, you're gonna be like him and you'll be able to discern for yourself good and evil. Well, surprise, surprise, humanity's done a craptastic job of discerning good and evil for ourselves, you know.
SPEAKER_00:And you know what, Philip? I taught somewhere, and I believe it. I don't believe that God was going to forever keep the knowledge of good and evil. Me neither do Adam and Adam and Eve. That there was a time for it. Yes, there was a time and a season for it. Yes, and they dumped the shark by following the guidance of the snake.
SPEAKER_01:Come on, man. That's exactly what happened, dude. I was thinking about that, man. I think I was talking with uh Stephanie and the girls about it one night. We were talking about just um that God is not in the business of trying to keep things from us, and I think that was that was Satan's angle. You know, when he was tempting Eve, he was like, Yeah, well, God doesn't want you to know this. You know, in other words, God's keeping something from you. Meanwhile, in Psalms, it says that he will not withhold any good thing from those who walk uprightly before him. But I do think that he knew they weren't ready, just like uh when you have a child, you can't, you know, let the kid just do whatever they want to do, you know, like if they they wake up one morning and I want jolly ranchers for breakfast, you know. You can't, you know that kids not they're not, they can't make decisions like that for themselves. You know, they they're not ready for things like that yet. I can't take a seven-year-old and put him behind the wheel of a car, right? Um, and that's how God was, I'm sure that's what what God's uh um uh motive or angle was with with Eve and Adam. It was like, in due time, I'm gonna let you into these things. I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you this stuff. Because the Bible says that uh for those that fear him, he'll bring them into his secret counsel. So, but you've got to establish that fear of the Lord first and that true humility and submission to him first, before uh those things, before you can be trusted, if you want to put it that way, with those types of things. So um, but David man, something came to me early and I and I and I know we're kind of riffing right now, but um in I was thinking about this scripture because uh uh I was talking with with um we were talking about it last night. In Psalm 34, this um idea or or this concept of uh the contrite heart. And I was thinking about that, dude, because it says in Psalm 34, I think it's verse 18. It says the Lord is close to the brokenhearted and he rescues those whose spirits are crushed. Uh now in the King James it says he rescues or saves those who are of a contrite spirit. And I was looking up that definition for contrite or contrite. However, you say that, I'm not sure I know the right way to say it. Um and it does mean crushed, it means uh beaten, bruised, and crushed with a burden. And it it means and and it comes from this idea of having a deep conviction of the evil of sin. A deep conviction of the evil of sin. And it's just interesting that you know David was the one writing this psalm, and he also talked about it, I think, in some other ones too, where he said, a contrite spirit you won't despise. And I think that was in Psalm 51, right after he had to repent for sleeping with Bathsheba, you know. Um, so it's this idea of, you know, if I really want to get on God's frequency, then I have to understand and and begin to see things the way he sees them. And that includes if he's called something sinful, then I have to also develop a deep conviction of how evil and sinful that thing is. That's true humility as well. It's like, man, whatever God says is bad is bad, and whatever God says is good is good, man. So um, I don't know, it's just all of that kind of tied together when I was thinking about this um earlier.
SPEAKER_00:So no, that's good, Philip, because you you're you're sitting, you're absolutely right. The contrite heart is a heart that has come again, it begins with humility, has come to that humble place to realize like Job did, I am nothing, Lord. That's right. I am nothing. And it's that's that's the place we all we all have to get to. And and you know, I think if if I might be so bold as to say one of the reasons why I think people struggle with that and would rather produce a false humility is because in the in genuine humility that supersedes your degrees. It supersedes all of your years of knowledge, and regardless of however many years it's been, whether it's been 18 or 80, um it it says that none of any of all of that matters.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_00:In light of God, he is everything, I am nothing. Now you understand why he said that we are like sheep. Um sheep are not sheep are not known to be the smartest animals in the pen. In fact, they're known to be the some of the dumbest. But what we do know about the sheep is the sheep is dependent upon the shepherd. And that when a sheep has or a sheep herd has a shepherd that is an excellent shepherd, they will follow that shepherd to the ends of the earth. That shepherd will care for them, love them, provide for them, and keep them out of danger and harm's way. And God is that's what Jesus is telling you. I am the good shepherd. Allow me to lead you. Yes, lead into me, depend on me, trust me, and boy, we got to talk about that at some point. Trust me, trust me, trust me, and I will guide you into the place where you need to be, and I'll make sure you're safe, I'll make sure that your sleep is good, that Psalms 23 is true about you, that you'll be in the green pastures, and I'll lead you by the still waters, so you'll have plenty to drink, and that you won't ever be without. But lean into me, depend on me, and trust me. And that goes above and beyond your years of knowledge, your experience, what you've learned, what's happened throughout your years, and all of that. And it says, God, despite all of that, or in light of all of that, in spite of all of that, excuse me, um my place is at your feet, humble. That's right, and in humility. And the person who can't do that, the person who still wants to depend on God and on their degree, that's where the false humility comes from. The person who wants to depend on God and depend on their life experience with relationships when you had never been married, you've only had bad relationships, you've given it up over and over again, thinking that sex was going to be your open door to a relationship, and it's never worked that way, yet you keep doing that, but you won't humble yourself before God and say, My way's not working.
SPEAKER_01:Goodness.
SPEAKER_00:And so we've got to, we've got to give up our control and yield all of that to God and put on that again, put on that servant's garment and just be at his feet.
SPEAKER_01:That's right.
SPEAKER_00:And and and I I think the other thing people are afraid of is they think that to serve God means to do nothing. And I I couldn't think of anything that could be more untrue. I I could I live in a world where to say that you're going to serve God means that you better get ready for the adventure because there's no telling how it's going to turn for you.
SPEAKER_01:That's right, man. That's right. Wow. David man, on that theme, real quick, and I know we got to wrap this up, but uh, but on that theme of um trusting him, you made me think of that um scripture in 1 Peter 5 again where it says you humble yourself under his mighty hand so he can exalt you in due time. And the very next verse is part of that humbling. The very next verse shows you a key a key component of how to humble yourself. It says, casting all your care on him because he cares for you. Dude, if you are sitting here holding on to a lot of worries and anxieties and fears and uh stuff that is just these different things that are weighing your mind down, that's actually not humility. You and I don't mean to sound insulting or anything like that, but that's that's what God's talking about. He's like, dude, if you really want to humble yourself, try living without worrying about anything. Live in a way where you say, I trust God with that. You know, I'll do the best I can, I'll do what I can do, but if the parts of it that I can't control, I put it in God's hands. I trust him with that. You know, and that'll be the end of that. And and um I to me, that's a metric that I use. I'm like, okay, where's my where's my worry meter? If I'm finding that I'm worried about something, I know I'm not humbling myself. You know, I'm like, that can't be humility because real humility says, you know what, I put that in God's hands and I'm not going to touch it again with my mind. I'm gonna believe that he's got my best interest at heart, that he's working out all things for me, uh, for my good, that he uh like I think it's in Psalm 50 something, it says, God performs all things for me. You know, he's he's there to try to uh help us and and work these things out behind the scenes. Uh and and there may be some things where you don't see how it's gonna work out right now. You're looking at the situation and it looks impossible. It's like, well, God, you know, if I don't do something, you know, if I'm you know, if something doesn't change, I'm I'm gonna be up the creek with no paddle. And God's like, don't you think I know that? You know, don't you don't you think that I've already seen this before you were even born? You know, do you actually think that anything that's happening in your life right now caught me by surprise? You know, all those types of things, when you think about it, it's like, oh yeah, God, that's right. I kind of forgot. You know, so we have to humble ourselves and go, God knows way more than I know. He's the air traffic controller, he sees all the planes in the sky. I'm just seeing the one I'm flying in, you know, all I know about right now. So let's keep our trust in him. Let's humble ourselves and believe that he will work it out for our good.
SPEAKER_00:That's good, Philip. That's really good.
SPEAKER_01:Praise God.
SPEAKER_00:All right, you guys, we're gonna have to put a bookmark in it right there. Uh, we are so glad that you've joined us for this episode of Bible Bros and Brew. Uh, we want to encourage you, go back and pick up some of the previous episodes. Uh, one that I would recommend to you is the uh the Pharisee, the tax collector. And um, I forget the third part of it, but that is a really good episode that'll help to bring you up to speed on some of where we are. But this has been a good series that we're working on. We maybe have an episode or two left, uh, and then we'll call it a wrap on this one. But we always say that and then end up going 13 more episodes. Right. Um, but humility is our way forward. And hear what Philip just said. God's the air traffic controller, and all we know about is the plane that we're in. If you do not trust the air traffic controller, you will cause a plane crash.
SPEAKER_01:Come on, brother.
SPEAKER_00:So we don't want that. We want to be able to fly and land and then take off again and land and take off repeatedly. And the only way that we could do that is in connection and obedience to air traffic control, also known as God. Um, just remember you can reach out and connect with us on our social media. Uh, make sure that you like and subscribe to this particular podcast, whether you're uh listening on Apple or you're listening on Spotify or one of the podcast platforms, or if you're watching us on Rumble, YouTube, uh, just make sure you like the podcast and then subscribe to make sure that you get and hit the notification bell so that you get notifications every time a new episode comes out. Speaking of which, we can do new episodes uh every Monday at about 6 a.m. And we also have a Bible study guide that we'd love to get into your hands. You can use the link in the description below to access the Bible study guide and uh to sign up for it, and we'll make sure that it hits your inbox every Monday morning. And then finally, if you've got questions, if you need anything, use the use the contact areas on any one of the apps that you're watching us on to ask any questions. If there's a subject you want us to tackle, you want us to pray for you, we'd love to do that for you. Until next time, I'm David. He's Phillip, and we are out.
