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The Antidote to Pride | Bible, Bros & Brew

• David McIntyre, Phillip Rich, Ryan Holdeman, & Jon Dzyuba • Season 7 • Episode 15

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In this second installment of our new series, David, Phil & Ryan explore the theme of pride by contrasting it with a spiritual quality that perhaps doesn't immediately seem connected to it, and that is gratefulness. So many times in our lives, pride can subtly creep in through the door of complaining and ungratefulness. Using several examples, including the famously bizarre story of Nebuchadnezzar's descent into madness, the BBB crew offers scriptural insights to help us recognize the clever and crafty ways that pride tries to sneak into our hearts and lives, as well as how gratefulness can provide a spiritual antidote to this dangerous mindset. So brew up your favorite cup of joe (or possibly tea), grab your Bible, and join us as we continue our journey into this vital topic.

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Ryan Holdeman:

We are continuing our series, our mini-series, on pride. Last week we laid the foundation on what pride is. We really dug in and looked at the scripture to find out what in the world is pride. This week we are going to connect what pride is and codify it with some stories. Get your coffee, get your Bible, get your brews, because it's happening right now. What is going on? Bible Bros and Brew world? We're so glad that you're here. Thank you for joining us for another week of Bible Bros and Brew.

Ryan Holdeman:

We're continuing our series, or a mini series, or might turn into a mega series. We don't know what this thing's going to morph into, but at the meantime we're talking about pride. Just really quick, before we get into it, just want to recap, just if I can. What we looked at last week was Proverbs 16, verse 18. It says this is the BSB version pride goes before destruction and a haughty spirit before a fall, and that's kind of our anchor verse for what we're talking about. But before we really get into it, we got some fellows here with us to make it all happen. They're here and looking handsome as ever, and our favorite, our second favorite part of this segment of the podcast is what is in the cup. So let's start with Big John Yo.

Jon Dzyuba:

Big bad, john, check it out. I got bad job, check it out. I got to prepare my to get myself prepared for the fall occasion. I bought my, not bought myself, I got myself. I don't know if you can, that might not be true.

David McIntyre:

What do you mean by get yourself prepared for the fall occasion? It is upon us.

Jon Dzyuba:

Listen, listen, I feel like you know what. Let's just do it. Yeah, you're right, it is upon us. However, I personally, if I'm sweating, it's not fall season yet. That's me personally. But before we get off onto that tangent, I'm drinking a bourbon pecan. It's smooth, it's nice. I like nutty coffees. This is perfect. It's getting me right into the mood about pride. To talk about pride.

David McIntyre:

A little alcohol to get you there, you know.

Jon Dzyuba:

It just takes the edge off, takes the edge right off.

Phillip Rich:

I'm having a great time. I'm having a great time.

Jon Dzyuba:

I'm having a good time.

Ryan Holdeman:

John it's bourbon flavored okay.

David McIntyre:

I know that you've been drinking a lot of alcohol-infused coffees lately, John.

Phillip Rich:

Oh, boy, I have video no hold on.

Jon Dzyuba:

Hold on.

Phillip Rich:

I have video of the past month or two of all y'all coffee choices.

Jon Dzyuba:

I just want to ask if there's anything you want to talk about, we're here to help it did make my headache go away, so that's a plus the coffee not the bourbon, but the coffee the bourbon and coffee though listen, the moment they put alcohol in k cups, I think the whole world will go on fire, because that'll be.

Phillip Rich:

Yeah, hey look, boxed wine was already a bad move, so it's only getting worse as we go.

David McIntyre:

We're gonna have to go through prohibition part two the sequel, they did put wine in boxes, didn't they they?

Phillip Rich:

They sure did, man. It's far too convenient for folks to drink nowadays, dude.

David McIntyre:

That's desperatism. Right there, when you've got to get to not a bottle but a box of wine, there's something going on in your life that needs you, nobody needs it that bad.

Jon Dzyuba:

What about you, mr Phil? What are you drinking tonight?

Phillip Rich:

you know, john, when all else fails oh, here we go and you need a solid decaf to make yourself feel disciplined about your caffeine intake, you can always turn to Peregrine's Columbia Atunka decaf. I say this without reservation, nor hesitation, nor even a degree of consternation Come on consternation.

Phillip Rich:

This is the best decaf in the history that I've ever tried of decafs, I've got it. I wanted to point out I do have my drum mug that my wife and daughter so blessedly blessed me with. It's supposed to have that 3D effect of a big drum and that kind of thing. It's pretty neat, man. I like it, dude.

Jon Dzyuba:

Drum roll please.

David McIntyre:

Check it out.

Phillip Rich:

That's right. Yes, sir, so David, how about you man?

David McIntyre:

And the spirit of the season, which is fall.

Jon Dzyuba:

Debatable.

David McIntyre:

Just remember, even though the calendar date hasn't shifted, and said it's fall. When it said that it's fall, come on. So that's all that matters. And tonight, in honor of that, I am drinking a salted caramel. This is a of that. I am drinking a salted caramel. This is a. I had my wife make it and I've been secretly having my wife make my coffee most of the time here lately, because she's got an anointment on her and something about the way she makes my coffees. They just taste better. I think she'd dip her toe in it, but I could be wrong. It's full of love. But yeah, this salted caramel, it's actually from Lidl, of all places.

Ryan Holdeman:

Lidl, Lidl, Lidl.

David McIntyre:

So it's a really good coffee. I think you'll really enjoy it. They have a fall kit, a fall coffee pod kit in Lidl that I think you would do well to pick up and enjoy.

Phillip Rich:

I would move the needle when I go to Lidl.

Jon Dzyuba:

Yeah, you know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying? That's crazy.

Phillip Rich:

September. Why are you putting this date on the on the thing? What's going on? Oh, that's the autumn equinox.

David McIntyre:

Okay, that's when nature determines that fall has arrived first, we already know that nature must bow down to the spirit and the spirit is in me what manner of man is this?

Phillip Rich:

who can control the seasons? That's right.

David McIntyre:

All right, Ryan. What about you, sir? I speak to God directly, and he told me it's all Sound like David E Taylor.

Phillip Rich:

His brother said he had an exclusively granted trip to heaven.

David McIntyre:

I saw that the other day oh, oh, my gosh, here we go. I don't even know what that is, but it sounds like a travel y'all got a day pass.

Phillip Rich:

That'd be nice you can skip the line at saint p Peter's house. It's fast pass Anyway, ryan. What are you drinking, sir?

Ryan Holdeman:

Well, I got a. I was really excited to share this. It's something fresh, something new something tasty. I meant to grab the bag, but I left it in the kitchen. I don't have it with me so you can see you don't need to see it, it's Pete's again. I did some French press and I got it in this nice little cup and it is Pete's Dark Roast.

Jon Dzyuba:

Whoa Feeling sticky. Okay, all right.

David McIntyre:

You silly, silly person.

Phillip Rich:

What are you going to do? I like pizza. Pizza's good.

David McIntyre:

Yeah, pizza's good coffee. I will give them that.

Ryan Holdeman:

Look, I've looked for autumn blends and stuff and they're just not out right now, because I would like to point out that the first day of fall does not tell next week.

Jon Dzyuba:

So you're telling me none of your retailers have any fall.

Ryan Holdeman:

They have pumpkin spice, but I don't like flavored coffee.

David McIntyre:

No, Ryan hates that.

Phillip Rich:

I'm right there with you. I'm not a big fan of it myself, Ryan.

Jon Dzyuba:

I don't think pumpkins even taste like that. That's the crazy part.

David McIntyre:

Oh Lord Jesus, here we go. Now you're ruining pumpkin season for everybody. We all secretly know no pumpkin tastes like that.

Jon Dzyuba:

I mean, I personally don't go out eating pumpkins like that.

Phillip Rich:

Nah, man, I heard pumpkins are really good for you, though, if you ever get into it.

David McIntyre:

Vitamin A, vitamin E something like that, Ryan, if you don't drag us back on track we're going to see we could seriously ramble this entire podcast away.

Jon Dzyuba:

You need to figure out how to segue from pumpkins to pride.

Phillip Rich:

Yes, yes, you know what I've got an example. Linus had a lot of pride, thinking that the great pumpkin was going to show up and he never did. So there you go.

David McIntyre:

I will say in Linus' defense, though, when Christmas time came he was.

Phillip Rich:

oh, Did he preach?

Ryan Holdeman:

He preached, he was oh.

Jon Dzyuba:

Did he?

Phillip Rich:

preach.

David McIntyre:

He preached. He preached that word.

Jon Dzyuba:

He said lights please Next thing.

Phillip Rich:

You know, bro, that dude laid it down.

David McIntyre:

I would submit to all of you out there that Linus could not have had the moment at Christmas unless there had been the failure of the great pumpkin.

Jon Dzyuba:

Won't he do it?

Phillip Rich:

Now we're talking, dude, now we're talking. Who knew it was the humbling that came first?

David McIntyre:

Come on, because he was in pride.

Phillip Rich:

Right, so that Linus could be exalted later.

Jon Dzyuba:

One would say that Linus was a new creation in Christ for Christians.

David McIntyre:

Come on now.

Jon Dzyuba:

Come on the fruits that he bore.

Phillip Rich:

See, that's what I'm talking about.

David McIntyre:

Let Charlie Brown preach right now to you. Let him preach his word.

Ryan Holdeman:

Alright, let's get this thing kicked off. Sorry, Ryan, we're all sorry, you're good. You're good. I instigated the whole situation. So what we really wanted to do and David thought it would be a really good idea is to help paint the picture of what pride is, Because pride is kind of this well, most importantly, it's blinding. So it's really easy to see in other people, it's really easy to see in history, it's really easy to see all around you, but it's most difficult to see in your own life.

David McIntyre:

And so to help illustrate that's where and that's honestly that's where it matters most.

Ryan Holdeman:

That's right exactly because, because, like, especially like what we talked about in the um, in the fruits of the spirit um series, is the only thing that you can control is your own life, your own garden, and so you know, it's easy to talk about. Oh well, she, well, she's prideful, oh, he's arrogant, oh he's a narcissist, whatever. But that doesn't change anything. It just, honestly, can make the matter much worse. And so we wanted to take a moment and look at some stories on how we can help paint the picture and hopefully, maybe we can connect some dots and identify areas in our life where there's pride and, most importantly, to realize that pride isn't always this big, glaring billboard with marquee lights all around it. That oftentimes, like we talked about last week, is pride, is often subtle and it starts very small and it grows, uh, into the marquee lights and so um I want david.

Ryan Holdeman:

Uh, david wanted to take a look at daniel, chapter four. We'll start at verse 28, david, you want?

David McIntyre:

to actually actually Actually, even before we go there, can we just go back and define this thing again?

Ryan Holdeman:

Yeah.

David McIntyre:

And it's to you know, as we looked at it, from Proverbs 16, 18,. It says pride goes before destruction and a haughty spirit before a fall. That word haughty means puffed up Again. It's one of the definitions I think you can find of pride is thinking and it's not just a definition, it's a scripture and it's thinking more highly of yourself than you ought to yeah that's right and um.

David McIntyre:

So this concept of thinking more highly than yourself than you ought to always comes before you actually fall. And where do you fall? You fall back to the place where you really are, where sobriety lives. And so when we look at the definition of this word and ryan or john, if you want to look real quickly at um at this word, it comes from it's the greek word uh gail. I don't know if I'm pronouncing it exactly right, please don't judge me. It comes from. It's the Greek word uh gay on. I don't know if I'm pronouncing it exactly right, please don't judge me, but one of the things that one of my commentary says and I want to read it to you is it says gay on.

David McIntyre:

Pride gathers in a spectrum of ideas that run from magnificent splendor to inflated arrogance, wow. And so we talked about this a little bit last week when we said that pride was both a positive and a negative. We're talking about it in its negative sense, but there are so many scriptures where God or the author of that book write about, or one of the prophets write about or speak about a town, a city, behavior or whatever Old and New Testament in a very positive, glowing type of pride and that's not bad. You know, I take pride in my church. I think I have a great church. I think I have there's a lot of people doing a lot of good things, and it's got a desire to see other churches grow, see people grow, and I think that's an awesome thing and I think God is glorified when people gather together to do his work and I take good pride in that. So that's a positive.

David McIntyre:

But then when I go into the church and I take my position as leader of a ministry and then all of a sudden nothing can happen without me, because I insist that it be that way and that I've got to make the final decision over every individual single thing that happens in that ministry, then they're, amongst other things, I'm operating in pride, and can I say this to you, philip, I didn't say this when I talked to you earlier, lori said something that I thought was interesting, that I'm now thinking is true, and that is pride always runs together with other sin, and it's the we were. I think I shared one of the things about you know somebody last week who I said you know they don't want to go to God because they don't want to hear what he has to say, and I was talking to Lori about that after the fact. And she says well, that's because of fear.

David McIntyre:

They're afraid to hear what God wants to say, and the outcome of that is not only fear, but some pride is now involved in that too.

David McIntyre:

Sheesh, sheesh so there's always this correlation between pride and other sinful behaviors or characteristics that don't serve you well, and so when we talk about the negative side of pride, we said last week that one of the um, one of the definitions is is that pride is the sinful elevation of self that leads us to place our confidence in our own strength, our own wisdom or status, rather than in God Wow, in God. I saw something earlier today and it talked about how I think it was referring to the angels that got kicked out of heaven. It said they didn't want to worship God, they wanted to be God. And so there was pride there. That was pride going before the fall, and that was one heck of a fall.

David McIntyre:

When you got the right foot of fellowship, we're straight up out of heaven and thump to the earth. That's a genuine pride-filled fall, and so I want you to think about it. In what area or areas in my life have I elevated myself? What I want, what I want to accomplish, what I want to get out of this, what I want to happen above what I believe or know God wants in this situation?

Phillip Rich:

Wow.

David McIntyre:

And then I think that we also have to be very mindful and thoughtful that God has a plan for every situation in your life. Yeah, and I think that we sometimes think, because we're not in ministry, but because we work, or we're not in ministry but we're home taking care of the kids that somehow God's not involved in that. But it says in all of your ways to acknowledge him and he will direct your path.

Ryan Holdeman:

That's right.

David McIntyre:

And so that means God's in all things kind of God, and so we have to give him room to function and work in our lives in every area, which then means one of the things that we have to be mindful of to not do is to exalt our own will above the Father's will and then try to make our way, be prosperous and ignore the father's way, because in every circumstance that always fails and the degree of which that you go down that road determines the depth of the fall. Wow, wow, because at the, you know if you are examined.

David McIntyre:

You know, the bible calls us to examine ourselves, to look into the perfect law of liberty to see the kind of man that we are, and when you're walking down the path and every step of the way you're beginning to examine okay, wait a second, am I about to act out out of pride here, or is there something else there? And you're like, okay, you examine that and you don't determine that it's pride and you keep going, that's a good thing. But when you go down the road and you don't determine that it's pride and you keep going, that's a good thing. But when you go down the road and you don't even examine yourself, the further down that road you go, the harder I think that fall is going to be yeah because you can just get so deep into stuff that you can't help but take a big dip.

David McIntyre:

so so those are just a couple of things that I wanted to talk about there and in Daniel I don't know exactly where it is, but kind of using story to kind of help bring understanding. I wanted to talk about Nebuchadnezzar because he's a great example, because one day Nebuchadnezzar is king. A great example, because one day Nebuchadnezzar is king and the next day he's crawling around on all fours eating grass, baying at the moon, and all of it is because he is functioning. There's lots of, amongst other things, pride is sitting right there in the middle of that thing. Let me try to open a book. Anybody want to tackle this a little bit and start it off, because I've got to pull it up.

Phillip Rich:

Yeah, I think Ryan's got it right there, I believe let's see here. Yeah, in verse 31 of Daniel is this Daniel 4, I believe. So this is interesting man. He says in verse 28,. All this happened to King Nebuchadnezzar 12 months later, as he was walking on the roof of the royal palace of Babylon. I bet that was a dope building, by the way.

Phillip Rich:

You know it was yeah, I mean they talk about how the hanging gardens of babylon were one of the seven wonders of the ancient world and I've I've never seen um like. I mean, I've seen several type of artistic renderings of it. I just wonder what it really would have looked like in real life. It probably was amazing, you know um. But it said. The king exclaimed is this not babylon the great, which I myself have built as a royal residence by the might of my power and for the glory of my majesty? So he's on a bit of an ego trip here yeah, and you and you see it.

David McIntyre:

It's the spirit of I, the spirit of I'm I and we all are. I want us to see, when we're talking about pride, that it first requires us to look at us. Yeah, again, ryan said it right Sometimes it's a lot easier to see in other people than it is to look at yourself. But look at him. He's talking about how he did this. It's the, it's the might of his hand, his majesty, his power. Are you kidding me? Everything that was around him all. Because, going back to the statue that he built of himself which I always laugh because anytime I think about nebuchadnezzar, the most impactful veggie tale I think I've ever seen- the one about nebuchadnezzar and how he built the statue of the bunny the bunny the bunny.

David McIntyre:

That is such a clever little play that they did there. I missed those VeggieTales before the guy who built it went woke.

Phillip Rich:

But I'll leave that alone.

David McIntyre:

but he had gone through all that and after he saw what happened to the Hebrew boys, he cast aside his God and took on our God aside his God and took on our God as his God. And so now you have all this beautiful stuff happening from this king who loved God, and he has the nerve to come here and start talking about how I did in my might and God wasn't having it.

Phillip Rich:

Right, that's right.

David McIntyre:

You can pick it up at 31 Philip.

Phillip Rich:

Okay. And he said while I love this part too, man, this is amazing While the words were still in the King's mouth, a voice came from heaven it is decreed to you, king Nebuchadnezzar, that the kingdom has departed from you. Now this is like past tense in God's mind. The kingdom has departed from you Just as sure as it can be. You will be driven away from mankind to live with the beasts of the field and you will feed on grass like an ox Dang. And seven times. I think some people say seven times meant seven years, I'm not sure. Seven times will pass you by until you acknowledge that the most high rules over the kingdom of mankind and gives it to whom he wishes. And here's the result. It says verse 33,.

Phillip Rich:

At that moment, I mean we're seeing like two things that happen instantly, like while the words were still in his mouth, the pronouncement comes. And then now, at the moment that the sentence against Nebuchadnezzar was fulfilled I mean at that moment the sentence was fulfilled he was driven away from mankind. He ate grass like an ox. His body was drenched with the dew of heaven. That looked weird, until his hair grew like the feathers of an eagle and his nails like the claws of a bird brah. I was thinking about this. There's a word I looked up the other day. It was um zoanthropy.

Phillip Rich:

You ever heard of that word I have, I break it down zoanthropy is the process of a human transforming into an animal, like it's more in the fantasy world, but they gave it a real kind of technical name. But it was like like the way you know that movie teen wolf, how he would transform to a wolf at nighttime or whatever, um, same kind of concept. It's like this zoanthropy thing happened to nebuchadnezzar, according to the Bible. He went through a transformation. His nails started growing big, he started eating like an ox, creepy stuff, if you really think. That's kind of one of the more bizarre stories in the Bible in my humble opinion. Man. So he was in a time where he was, in a sense, he was subhuman, and I think that's a good lesson in terms of pride. Like pride can turn you into a subhuman. You can be so self-absorbed that you lose your own humanity in the middle of that thing.

David McIntyre:

That's good, Philip.

Phillip Rich:

Praise God man. That's good. Philip praise god man, so, um. But as far as the conclusion of the story, this is interesting. In verse 34 it says but at the end of those days, I now this is like nebuchadnezzar himself saying this I, nebuchadnezzar, looked up to heaven and my sanity was restored to me, so he would. He may have literally gone out of his mind. Then I praised the Most High and I honored and glorified him, who lives forever, for his dominion is an everlasting dominion. His kingdom endures from generation to generation. All the peoples of the earth. I got to see the rest of that, ryan, if you don't mind scrolling down a little bit. There we go. All the peoples of the earth are counted as nothing and he does as he pleases with the army of heaven and the peoples of the earth. There is no one who can restrain his hand or say to him what have you done? At the same time, my sanity was restored. Look what happened.

Phillip Rich:

My honor and splendor returned to me for the glory of my kingdom, my advisors and nobles sought me out and I was restored to my throne and surpassing greatness was added to me. So he had like another degree of, you know, next levelness. And he says now I, nebuchadnezzar, praise and exalt and glorify the king of heaven, for all his works are true and all his ways are just and he is able to humble those who walk in pride.

David McIntyre:

dude, that last verse will would get you thinking about some stuff, man yeah, one of the way, one of the other ways, like in the king james, it says those that walk in he is able to abase.

Phillip Rich:

Come on man.

David McIntyre:

Or in other words, to bring low.

Phillip Rich:

Yeah, yeah.

David McIntyre:

And that's. You know, this is a. I love this story because here's the rundown from top to bottom man thought he was greater than god and that all his goodness was his own doing. God said, nay, nay. Man turns and tells man this is how this is going to be, just so you know who's in charge. Yeah, yeah.

David McIntyre:

Man stays that way as long as God says so, and then comes to himself and realizes he's the one that rules, he's the one that reigns. It's by his might, it's by his power, it's by his mighty right hand that we live and move and breathe and have our being. It's his doing, not our own, and we exalt him, not a self, in the situation and the circumstances, and in doing so, god gives him double honor. So this is the other thing about God that I hope it's kind of a side note, but it's all part of the same. Even when we mess up with God, when we get ourselves right with God, he has a way of not only bringing us back to a good place, but taking us further than we had ever been before. Yeah, yeah, and that's the God we serve.

David McIntyre:

And so when we talk about pride now, you begin to see a visual picture of what it might look like. What area in your life are you saying it's by the might of my power, by the might of my hand, that I've gotten all this good? Where is that area in your life? Where is that area in your life? You know? What group of people are you dealing with, that you're lording over them as a Nebuchadnezzar and you're ruling over them and you're saying, once again, this is my people, this is my ministry, this is my doing. You just got to lay it down.

David McIntyre:

You got to lay all that, my eye down and recognize you would have nothing unless the Lord. God gave it to you.

Phillip Rich:

Come on.

David McIntyre:

And the fact that God gave it to you demonstrates that he trusts you with it. So be trustworthy with that which the Lord gives you and don't complain about your current situation or circumstances, because the same God that gave you what you got to get you where you are is the same God that also knows how to bring you forward in his due season. So just let's, just let's. We need to chill with all of that stuff, because it's absolutely and look, this is a restoral story. If we look at the story of Satan getting kicked out of heaven, there was no restoral there.

Phillip Rich:

You know, david, I was thinking about let me interrupt you there.

David McIntyre:

No, no, no, You're good, you're good.

Phillip Rich:

You made me think about this there. No, no, no, you're good, you're good. You made me think about this.

Phillip Rich:

I actually think that was the original sin was Satan's pride that caused him to get kicked out of heaven. I mean, I know that might be go against some theologies out there and that's fine. I kind of mean it more in like a figure of speech than like a literal thing. But think about it. Jesus said I saw Satan fall like lightning out of heaven.

Phillip Rich:

There was a judgment on Satan for his pride, and I think Ezekiel 28 or somewhere around there talks about that. What he was saying I'll exalt my throne above the stars of heaven, I'll be like the most high. You know that was uh, from what I've I've read that's. That was kind of a what do you call it? Type and shadow or or or an illustration of Satan's thought behind his rebellion. And to me, pride was that original sin, you know, because remember, when Adam and Eve were created and put into Eden, satan was already there, you know.

Phillip Rich:

So this rebellion had already happened, and some believe it happened between Genesis 1-1 and Genesis 1-2, and there's a whole theory out there about that. I won't get into it. But um, but yeah, I mean, I was just thinking about that, like like to tie into what Laurie said about how most sins are like a branch off from pride. That's pretty much you know. Satan is pride personified, if you think about it, and so he's the tempter, the one who tries to lead people into all kinds of ungodliness and evil, to lead people into all kinds of ungodliness and evil. And so it would only make sense that the first door that you're going to go through to commit those other things would be pride.

Ryan Holdeman:

I've got a question. Please, yes, sir, pull the pin and throw the grenade in. So you're ready, and I agree with the simplificationification. I don't think it's oversimplifying that it's. You know, it's good to be proud of things, that you're a part of your community, your family, um, even taking pride in the way that you present yourself and look, um. But when pride become, pride becomes evil crosses the line from being good to sinful. When I no longer have to rely on god right, when I. When it becomes a reliance on myself, yeah, and you could even be doing something godly, or, um, even in the name of god yes, but you're relying on yourself and and god, god created this, this world and patterns.

Ryan Holdeman:

So you have monday, tuesday, wednesday, thursday, friday, saturday. Monday, tuesday, wednesday, thursday, friday, saturday. You got night and day, night and day, night and day, night and day, fall, spring, winter, day, night and day, night and day, fall, spring, winter, fall, spring. You know the seasons and it's over, so it's pattern. So when I do something once and I have to do it again, it becomes predictable. And when something becomes predictable, I don't have to. I can rely on my own wisdom, my own experience, my experience, my knowledge, my power, my strength, my finances. I can rely on all that because I know exactly what it takes, even though God's calling me to do it every single day. Yeah, so how do I continue to rely on God to do something that he's called me to do, even though I've done it before and I have to, and he's called me to continue to do it? How do I continue to rely on God so that I do not fall into the trap of believing that it I can be reliant only on myself?

Phillip Rich:

Wow, Such a good question man.

David McIntyre:

Yeah, I agree.

Phillip Rich:

David, your thoughts. How do you want me to thoughts?

David McIntyre:

I'm thinking, you know, every week, because I'm trying to build something with you guys, of course, and I'm working on building credibility and a library of resources and materials that say that we're experts in the stuff that we talk about. This is another project that we're working on, and so every week, I've got to write an article. Every week I've got to create a podcast. Every week I've got to create a quotable something. You know, every week I got to pull a snippet from that podcast, and so the rote work that I have to do is pretty much the same thing every week, and every week I go about doing that rote work, but the thing that I also do from time to time is ask the Lord is this the way you want me going?

Phillip Rich:

Yeah.

David McIntyre:

Is this? Is this the path? You want to do something different this week with the article? I never approached the article, just, you know I've got an idea I want to tackle. You know I literally lay that down before the Lord. You know I'm like Lord. I think I want to talk about this this week. What do you think? And give room to hear from the Holy Spirit to allow some kind of confirmation to happen in my life that says yeah, go with that. And a lot of times I personally believe that a lot of the ideas that I get are not my own, but they're the ideas that the Lord drops in my spirit and I'll pursue that. So I think it's about the daily or the ongoing self-examination. I think it's about the daily or the ongoing self-examination.

David McIntyre:

Yeah, even in your patterns, even in the rote stuff that you do every day, you know, even asking Lord, is there a better way for me to do this? Is there a simpler approach for this? Lord? Are you pleased with this? Even with the completion of that work, you know, I I feel like for me, I feel like I'm constantly talking to the lord, even through and doing the pattern stuff, and I'm like does this look right, lord? I just don't feel this right now, and so I work until I feel like, yeah, this feels, this feels right and this feels locked in, and or, if it doesn't, I put it out and I work on something else and then I change it. But I think you just have to give yourself over to self-examination and checking for lack of a better word checking in with the Lord throughout the process so that your pattern doesn't become your prison.

David McIntyre:

That's good pattern doesn't become your prison and it doesn't become now just because you have a pattern of doing things. That that's the only way, that's the path and that's it Now. Let's just just another quick example, though. In some types of functions there are patterns that you have to follow. So if you're an accountant, then there are just certain accounting principles that you must follow in order to be a good steward over those numbers, over those finances, over those pieces. Right, so you're, you know, you can ask God for wisdom and how to approach that, but you don't change the pattern of calculation, you know, because that could create a disaster for somebody. So it depends on your pattern, but it is about always presenting whatever it is that you're doing to the Lord and giving him opportunity to speak into it. Well, philip, that's good.

Phillip Rich:

That's good, ryan, your thoughts on that.

Ryan Holdeman:

So I agree, and I think you know that God created patterns for some predictability, because if everything was just so unpredictable, I think, as humans, we would probably go a little crazy. Go a little crazy. Yeah, created the pattern so I could know where, a general idea of where the next step my foot was going to land, on, the path to whatever he in life, whatever he was calling me to do, yeah, but I think the problem lies in you know, you know, king nebuchadnezzar, believing I made the path. The path exists for me, the path exists by me.

Ryan Holdeman:

And instead of realizing, thank you God for showing me where my next step is going to be, thank you God for giving me the strength and the ability to walk the next step. Thank you God for the provision of the next step and everything I need to do to on this journey and where I'm going, and I think, and really what it boils down to to me, what I see and how to avoid crossing the line. Because it's easy when life gets predictable and mundane and you're like, okay, I know exactly what the next step takes, because I've taken the next step 100 times. I think the the best and easiest anecdote to that is to remain grateful is gratitude. Gratitude is the best antidote to crossing that line. And you know, and just be, and just just that, and you know the simplicity of thank you God for the next step.

David McIntyre:

You know why? I think that is, though, Ryan. It's because when we maintain a spirit of gratitude about everything, it's the equivalent of always putting the Lord first. That's right. Yeah, it's the equivalent of saying I'm thinking about you. I'm considering you and all of these things. Lord, I'm placing you first and I'm grateful to you for this thing, that thing, that purpose, this purpose, and it's a wonderful, it's a it's. It's a wonderful antidote to, to pride getting away from you.

Ryan Holdeman:

So doesn't that? If we go back to the original question from the beginning of the episode, how do I see pride in my own life? Wouldn't a great mirror for all of us be. Where can I be more thankful? Where can I be more thankful? And I mean, you know, or or or maybe more abruptly said, is where am I, what am I taking for granted in my life? Right, you know?

Ryan Holdeman:

everything from as simple as my health. Am I taking that for granted? Am I taking my family for granted? You know, thank God I have a car so I don't have to walk. Thank God I was able to put gas in that car. You know, these things that we just, you know, guilty taking for granted. Yeah, I have air conditioning, you know, even though it's fall supposedly. You know, thank God, you know for internet, so I can do this, you know, and just the thing I take so much for granted.

Phillip Rich:

That's good, brian. You made me think of another question. To ask along those lines is like what areas am I complaining about? That could be something to pinpoint and go. Okay, maybe I'm in pride with my complaining. You know, I heard a minister say one time complaining is the opposite of thanksgiving, and I think that's so powerful man. What you said earlier too, ron, is amazing stuff. Like you know, gratefulness is so important man. That was part of the reason why God kept some of those children of Israel out of the promised land because of ungratefulness. You know like God don't appreciate a bunch of complaining man, he's not. You know, I think it was in first Corinthians 10, you know it said it was talking about all the stuff that the Israelites were doing. That God was like. If you think you're going to go into the promised land like this, you got another thing coming, man, and one of them was murmur is what it was called in the King James, but if you look it up in other translations, it meant complain, like they were constantly complaining.

David McIntyre:

Yep.

Phillip Rich:

And don't get me wrong If you're out there walking in the desert and it's hot as crap and you're sweaty and got sand all in your shoes or whatever else and you hadn't had nothing to eat for a while and hardly anything to drink, I'm sure the temptation to complain will be there. There, it was ryan, I'm sorry. Um, yeah, verse 10 in first corinthians 10, it says neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured. And look what happened to them. They were destroyed. Of the destroyer they were. God came through, I think. Uh, it was an angel. They said. It came through and wiped out, wiped out a bunch of those jokers. And you start thinking about it.

Phillip Rich:

It's like man, you know God takes this stuff seriously, like yes, he does you know that we like, like Ryan, what you said, the things we take for granted. Man, think twice, you know. Matter of fact, maybe think of that song by Phil Collins, another Day in Paradise. You remember that song was about not taking things for granted.

Phillip Rich:

It's like you know we sit here and you know, just don't even think about how blessed we really are sometimes, and I've been like I said, right, I've been guilty of it, man. Good lord dude, just especially if you. If there is something going on in your life where you're, you know, dealing with a problem, it don't matter what the problem is we have, as humans, have the tendency to hyper-focus on that problem. You know, like my whole life sucks because of this one problem.

David McIntyre:

I got over here, you know, go ahead, I'm sorry, I was going to say look, David did some complaining. Yes, he did, yeah he did. If you read throughout the psalms, he put some of that stuff in the song and poem, but inevitably where do you see him always coming back to?

Phillip Rich:

Come on man.

David McIntyre:

He always comes back to praising God, thanking God, declaring God's might, declaring God's power, declaring God's willingness to get involved in our lives, declaring that God will do, god will do, god will do. He's always bringing it back to that so he might tell you, I was surrounded by my enemies enemies to the left of me, enemies to the right of me, you know, and all of that, but God.

Phillip Rich:

But God, Come on man.

David McIntyre:

But God always comes up and we all need to have that but God in our lives. If things aren't going well, I talk honestly to my wife about it. She's my trusted person and I'll say, hey, this is what's going on. I might talk to Phil Ryan and say this, this or this and be honest about how I'm feeling. It's not because I'm denying the, but God. I always have to go back to, but God. That's right, I think the important thing here I always have to go back to, but God.

Ryan Holdeman:

That's right. That's right. I think the important thing here is it's human nature. I think Israelites are a good 30,000 foot view, 40 year series, of just how general humans are. As soon as they leave the desert, it's kumbaya. They're singing and making up songs on the spot and celebrating, and then they get on their way, and not even a few days down the road.

David McIntyre:

They're like oh, we're hungry.

Ryan Holdeman:

Back there. What do you know? You know, immediately forgetting that you were in, you were enslaved and god, all the god, just did this huge miracle. But 11 miracles, you know all of the plagues 10 and then the 11th one splitting the sea. You walked across on dry ground like dude, what um? And then just a couple days later, you forget. It's human nature? Yeah, it is, which is why you have it. Takes a discipline to be thankful, go ahead.

David McIntyre:

But brian, here it is. It goes back to what you're talking about with patterns, because one of the things that man has a pattern of doing is forgetting what god has done and starting a murmur and complain about everything. And then here's what. Here's what blows me about the jewish people uh, the early bible people.

David McIntyre:

Whatever makes you feel better with me saying that, despite all that happened, there were still sects of people within that group that did not believe God. That's right, that's right. They did not believe. They walked through that dry land, they had water out of a rock, they had heavenly manna, they had God put fire by night, cloud by day all of that and they still were unbelievers. That blows me away, and when I read that I was like can't be, how can this be?

Phillip Rich:

I know it's fascinating, man. I mean even to the point where I just saw that comment in my life. That's hilarious. Even to the point where A period of Bible bros went through.

Ryan Holdeman:

Yes, you know, we have the minds of squirrels.

Phillip Rich:

It's like, look a squirrel, I can't. It's like, look a squirrel, you know. But um, but yeah, like even to the point where uh Joshua had to rebuke a couple of the tribes because they had settled over on the other side. They hadn't even crossed over yet, and he had. I think it was in Joshua 18. He came to him. He's like dude, why are y'all so slack, yet even gone into the promised land? You're right here at it, you know. And they were just just complaining, just still didn't believe, still didn't believe. Man, it's fascinating. It's a fascinating thing and, and I think, uh, one of the, the stories that happened in the gospels, where jesus was telling the disciples, uh, about the leaven of the pharisees and at the end of the day, uh, the conclusion of that whole story was, it said, they considered not the miracle of the loaves and fish, because their hearts were hardened.

Phillip Rich:

And I think about that. It's like that was the issue, like a hard heart that's a heart that can easily forget what God has done. You know, you grow callous to these things after a while and it's never good man, it's.

Ryan Holdeman:

You know, it's a popular phrase because it's so true. The honeymoon phase yeah, I just got married, oh, it's lovey-dovey and you have all the honeymoon part. But then how fast does the honeymoon phase wear off? After a couple months, no-transcript, my chicken, you know that kind of stuff. Um and so, but hey, thank God I have dirty underwear to pick up.

David McIntyre:

Thank God, and that's the last thing to to say.

David McIntyre:

if you don't go into your marriage with gratitude, it's not very likely that you're going to maintain it during that's right bro you know, I see so many men who are grateful for the women that they marry and and women who are grateful for the men that they marry and they go into their marriage, uh, with a gratitude. And that gratitude can sustain you because when you're mad, guess who steps in and is willing to talk to you and help guide you out of that situation? The one who created you. The one who knows your spouse better than you, lori and I have.

David McIntyre:

We've been married now for 30 years that's awesome who knew that it would be possible to be married that long? Because in the world that we live in, that's not how it happens.

David McIntyre:

But do you know that? One of the things that I am, I am so grateful for my woman of God. I'm so grateful for her. She takes care of me, she does such great things for me, but I'm also grateful that she loves God. I'm grateful that she hears from him. I'm grateful that her heart's desire is to do his will and because of those things, it makes certain things so much easier in our lives. Because we have the same drive. We have some of the same goals and I can be grateful to her.

David McIntyre:

When I get in bed at night, I'm so thankful to be able to lay next to somebody who loves me unconditionally and to feel safe and comfortable with her.

David McIntyre:

And every night I go to bed with gratitude towards her because of who she is and how she governs herself, how she carries herself, and she is that virtuous woman that Proverbs 31 talks about. That's awesome, but she you know what she was't. She was that woman when I married her, but it hadn't all fully developed out. And what you don't, men, what you don't know about your woman is as good as she is when you marry her. What god does to a woman over the life, over a lifetime of growing with her is one of the most beautiful things that you can observe, and he does the same thing, and you too. And if you guys would just be willing to be grateful and coexist together, even through the tough stuff, you'll find that you'll come to a place where you are genuinely happy, in a way that you did not know you could be happy because you allowed the Lord to shape things the way that he wanted to, in his image and not in your own.

Ryan Holdeman:

Amen, amen, amen.

David McIntyre:

We got to put a, we got to put a bookmark right there. We got so much further than I ever thought we were going to this episode, and I give Ryan Holdeman the credit for that yes, sir. He knew there was something here. We just needed to work it out. That was awesome.

Jon Dzyuba:

So he became the mood.

David McIntyre:

Thank you, Ryan. You know, you guys we're so glad that you joined us for this episode. Thank you, ryan. You know you guys we're so glad that you joined us for this episode. Before we go, ryan give me a final thought, and then Philip give me a final thought, but then take just a quick moment and pray over everybody.

Ryan Holdeman:

Yes, sir, my final thought is look for areas that you can be thankful. I know I've got plenty that I know I need to evaluate and be thankful for and just take a moment and just thank God for it, amen.

David McIntyre:

I agree.

Phillip Rich:

That's good stuff. I'd say piggyback it off Ryan's thought there. Look for things you've been complaining about and resolve to not do that. You know, because in the midst of whatever you're complaining about, there's a hundred other things to be thankful for. So, um, yeah, absolutely Um, but yeah, I'll go ahead and pray, um, and, and just you know, a request on, on, uh, to the Lord, god, almighty, that we would all um recognize that pride.

Phillip Rich:

So, father, thank you, thank you for what you brought out tonight on the podcast. We ask you to show us ourselves. We ask you to show us the areas in our lives where we have had pride, where we have been complaining, where we've been ungrateful, not to condemn ourselves or to beat ourselves up, father, but to truly make efforts to improve and to develop a more godly attitude. We know that a lot of times, our attitude is the main problem we deal with, father, because you said in your word you know that we are to think on things that are good and perfect and lovely and of good report, that we're to think on things that are praiseworthy, are good and perfect and lovely and of good report, that we're to think on things that are praiseworthy.

Phillip Rich:

So I pray that over every person listening, that they would begin to think on the things that are praiseworthy and of good report, not the things that are to be complained about or that are troubling, but to keep their focus in the right place. That's for all of us, Father. I pray that for every one of us, lord, so that we can truly stay grateful and maintain a grateful attitude of heart. Thank you for helping us to do that, so that we can stay out of pride. We give you praise for that, lord, and we just thank you for helping us by the Holy Spirit to recognize those areas where we might step on a landmine and get into pride. We pray that you'll help us recognize it before we get into it, and we thank you for it and we praise you for it in Jesus name, amen.

David McIntyre:

Amen, amen, thanks, philip. All right, everybody, we're glad you've joined us. Thank you for not only connecting here with the podcast, but also thank you for connecting with us on social media. You can find us on TikTok, but also thank you for connecting with us on social media. You can find us on Tik TOK, uh, instagram. We're also out there. Um, on YouTube. Well, we are on YouTube, but we're here on YouTube. We're on rumble and we'd love for you to connect with us in any one of those platforms.

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