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We have launched a new series on a topic that all of us wrestle with but often flies under the radar, and that is pride. In this episode, David & Phil dig into the scriptures to first of all discover what the biblical definition of pride is, as well as how subtle and destructive this force can be in your spiritual life if you're not careful. So how is it that we allow pride to sneak into our lives and cause so much damage? This episode will give you some important pieces of the puzzle to help you recognize pride when it tries to rear its ugly head. So brew up your favorite cup of java or tea, grab your Bible, and prepare to study with us as we venture into this exciting new series!
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On this week's episode of Bible Bros and Brew. We're going to begin a new discussion and we're going to talk about something that I would say that it is. It can be subtle, it can be deceptive and it can absolutely ruin your life if you let it. But tonight we're going to start by defining and showing how pride seeps into our lives and begins to make a mess of things. Up next, on Bible Bros and Brew we're so glad you joined us, man. It's episode of Bible Bros and Brew. We're so glad you joined us, man. It's going to be a good week. I'm not by myself, though Secretly, there are other people in the room and I'm sure that I am not just seeing them in my own mind's eye Next to me.
David McIntyre:I've got Phillip Down below me, I've got Phillip Down below me, I've got Ryan, and over to the corner of me, there's none other than John D-Y-Z-U-B-A, also known as Zuba. You almost spelled it right. D-y-d-z-y. Sorry about that.
Jon Dzyuba:I can't even do that.
David McIntyre:I'm doing so good with the pronunciation, I think.
Jon Dzyuba:I think so too. I think so too, john's like.
David McIntyre:Zuba forever, right, you guys we're so glad that you joined us. This week we're going to be digging in and going a whole walking down another path of conversations that are based around the topic of pride. You know, this pride thing is really I was going to say it's getting serious, but it's been serious from the very beginning of time and if you dig back in the word all the way back to, you can get into Exodus and Deuteronomy and other places and you can see that this concept of pride that's built in arrogance is something that the Lord absolutely hates. The Lord is highly opposed to it, hates, the Lord is highly opposed to it. And if we aren't careful, we can so innocently allow pride to slip into our lives and, before you know it, that which was a little something becomes a great something and you're not trusting in God at all, because pride is there and it's demanding something different of you.
David McIntyre:I even saw it pop up in a little way here in my home and because I've been studying it, I was able to say, ah, that's pride, and you're going to be able to do the same thing as we introduce pride to you. But before we do that, I want to take a few moments and let's introduce what are in these cups that everybody has in a little segment we call what's in the Cup. Phillip, I'm going to start with you what's in your cup today?
Phillip Rich:Dude, believe it or not, it's interesting because I've got on my full peregrine gear. I've got a shirt and a hat. You know just trying to. You stole the outfit. I've got on my full Peregrine gear, I've got a shirt and a hat. You know, just trying to. But interestingly enough, I am drinking a different coffee tonight.
Jon Dzyuba:I've never tried this before.
Phillip Rich:Are you ready, guys? This is Charleston Coffee Roasters. Whoa, it's called Charleston Organic Whole Bean, which I have ground into a nice fine powder. But it's good man. I don't even know where I got this coupon from, but I was going through some stuff in the office the other day and I found this coupon. It was like for $3 off Charleston Roasters. I'm like, hmm, let me just see what's going on. So I bought a bag just to kind of check it out. I figured I could present this on the podcast. But it's nice man, balanced, it is a coffee of the world.
David McIntyre:So I think that Does that mean, that coffee is not saved. What is it Right?
Phillip Rich:It's one of the coffees of the world, shall we say, but it's definitely not Peregrine level. Let's not be under any delusions. But it is a good coffee man. So quality kind of thing you want, just coffee taste, go for.
Ryan Holdeman:Charles Peregrine is still in the mail.
Phillip Rich:Yes, there you go. Yes, but that's my thing for the night man. How about you, ryan, what you got going on?
Ryan Holdeman:I've got a nice little dark roast here that I've almost finished.
David McIntyre:Is it called Pete's?
Ryan Holdeman:No.
David McIntyre:Okay, then I forgive you.
Ryan Holdeman:I'm sorry for acting out. And David, here's the thing is. You said last week I want everyone to come with a nice fall beverage next week and, dude, let me tell you, I looked high and low because I don't, you know, I don't do flavored coffee. I don't do the pumpkin spice and I don't do the because.
David McIntyre:I don't, you know, I don't do flavored coffees, I don't do the pumpkin spice.
Ryan Holdeman:I don't do the hoo-ba-dee-co Because I don't like it.
David McIntyre:No judgment. It felt like it.
Ryan Holdeman:It was very. There's actually a lot of judgment, I have to say. The little asterisk I looked high and low for autumn blends, any note about that? So I've come to the conclusion that corporate coffee only. They know that it's not really autumn or fall yet and they're just catering to the basic white girl's dollar and that's all they're after All, they're after is the basic white girl's dollar and that's all they're after. All they're after is the basic white girl's dollar. That's hilarious and everybody knows it's not actually fall yet.
Jon Dzyuba:Someone's been watching too much Ben Shapiro man.
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David McIntyre:Before we move on from Brian, I just want you all to realize that he's just called me a basic white girl. Yeah.
Jon Dzyuba:I wasn't going to touch on it.
David McIntyre:I feel some kind of way about it. And then Don is also a basic white dude Creme brulee.
Phillip Rich:We should cue the Vanessa Carlton Thousand Miles song just for a theme.
David McIntyre:I'm on my way downtown, do you guys? Okay, I'm going to go off camera for just a moment. Remember when that song was tearing up and everybody loved that song. I did not. I was like this is the whitest song I've ever heard.
Phillip Rich:Dude. I'll be honest, man, the drumming on that song is fantastic. I love drums and whoever the session dude who did that track was on point bro. Anyway, that's a whole other thing. I won't get off on that right now Alright.
David McIntyre:Basic White. John, what do you got in your cup?
Jon Dzyuba:Well, I can't say that, never mind, I'll be drinking. Hey, this one was funny and I just want you to know I got this cup this is not. This is a retro. This is actually Epcot. If you don't know, epcot is the best.
Ryan Holdeman:Is that what we're calling it now?
Jon Dzyuba:you're lucky. I love God. Why are?
Ryan Holdeman:they trolling you so hard Is that what we're calling it now.
Jon Dzyuba:You're lucky.
Phillip Rich:I love God. Why are they trolling you so hard, John? I?
Jon Dzyuba:can't even say I forgot what I was drinking. I don't even want to say what I want to drink tonight. To be fair, I only got this coffee because I thought the name was funny it's called Hot Buttery Rum.
Ryan Holdeman:It tastes exactly like that Emphasis on the butt this coffee, because I thought the name was funny it's called hot buttery rum and exactly emphasis on the butt buttery emphasis on the buttery.
Jon Dzyuba:My english isn't perfect, but I'm pretty sure it said hot buttery rum. So how does it taste? Because that sounds good. Actually it tastes it like. I don't know how to describe it except for hot buttery. It has like the sweet elements of rum and it has like the little cream or like the buttery cream flavors. It's, it's good, it really is good and of all places, I got it from white girl. It was actually really good Speaking of basic white girls. Hey man, they got the coffee.
Ryan Holdeman:John, we just think, can we just create a coffee?
Jon Dzyuba:mug that says Ryan was right. You're right To be fair. You were no right all right tonight.
David McIntyre:I am drinking in the fall vein. Tonight I am drinking a. I know you can't see it, and if I get it up close, it still doesn't. I gotta fix my camera. I keep saying that I forget I'm drinking maple bourbon and this is a. And if I get it up close, it still doesn't. I got to fix my camera. I keep saying that I forget I'm drinking maple bourbon and this is a maple bourbon from Lidl. I know I did have this a couple, well several weeks back. It was a little bit out of fall but somehow or another my wife had some left over. But now that I'm in fall I'm drinking it just like a basic white girl and I'm loving every minute of it.
Phillip Rich:Doing the both hands action. I see, yes, right, that's how you know, it's good.
Jon Dzyuba:Yeah.
David McIntyre:I'm going to cozy into some work.
Jon Dzyuba:Let's watch some Hallmark movies. Yeah, pull out the graham crackers and the pumpkin pie.
Phillip Rich:Oh my goodness man, it's got that Hallmark movie vibe for sure, all right.
David McIntyre:So that's what's in our cups tonight. Don't judge us for being weird. We are who we are. At least three of us are weird and one of us is abnormal. So tonight we're going to jump into and start talking us is abnormal, I'm going to let you choose who. So tonight we're going to jump into and start talking about this concept of pride. I think if there was maybe a foundational scripture, one that a lot of people, a lot of you especially if you've been part of a church or been studying the Bible for any period of time when it comes to pride, I think there's a verse that stands out to everybody as kind of being the pride verse, and it's in Proverbs, chapter 16, verse 18. And if we look at Proverbs 16 and 18, give me just a moment here at Proverbs 16 and 18. Give me just a moment here. Ryan's got it pulled up on the big screen.
Jon Dzyuba:I'm going to pull it up behind the scenes here for just a moment, just because I'm that way, all right.
David McIntyre:1618. It says pride goes. I'm reading out of the kjv right now. It says pride goes before destruction and a haughty spirit before a fall. Pride goes before destruction and a haughty spirit before a fall. It gives the impression that you can almost think of it this way and you might see it differently, but I can. I can predetermine the destruction is about to happen by the level of pride that I see you functioning in and um.
David McIntyre:I think that we need to first of all maybe slow down for a minute here and let's actually define the word pride. So, ryan, if you click on our go-to there, and um, if you'll look at the king james, look, look at the Strong's KJV, and then let's click on the word pride there and, as you can see, it comes from the now. Remember we're in the Old Testament, so we're in the Hebrew, not the Greek. So remember, everything that's in the New Testament you can find in the Greek concordance. Everything that's in the whole Old Testament you can find in the Hebrew and Aramaic concordances. And so, when you look at it, this comes from the Hebrew word ga-om and it means arrogancy, excellency, majesty, pomp, pride, proud swelling. Then you see again, under the Strong's exhaustive concordance, it literally says the same thing Arrogancy, excellency says majesty, pomp, pride, proud and swelling. And then you get down into the Brown driver driver Briggs. Now in the New Testament, when you've seen us look at this, it was the helps word studies that we were digging in. Now we're looking at brown driver and again, the distance, the difference is old testament versus new testament and as we begin to look at this, we that pride is a multi-definition word and there are two kinds of pride out there, but they still mean the same thing. There's just a negative version of it and a positive version.
David McIntyre:First of all, we can talk about the kind of pride that is positive. To have pride in your garden positive. To have pride in your garden, to think that you've got a great garden, that it's just an exalted garden. Your tomatoes bloom like nobody else's tomatoes, you know, and you've just got the best garden out there, and to have pride in that is okay. Also, to have pride in your church, for example. You know we've got a great church that serves the community, not saying that we do it better than anybody else, but what I am saying is darn it, we love people and we love doing this and I'm proud of my church. We see that in Paul, paul was proud. There were different times throughout the New Testament books where Paul talked about his pride in the people in the church when they were loving on one another, caring for one another, following God's word, reading God's word and making God priority in their lives and they were seeing good things come of it.
David McIntyre:But then there's also the negative side of pride, and the negative side of pride is the kind of pride that is swelling. I almost think of it like having a swelled head. It is thinking more Galatians would say, thinking more highly of yourself than you ought to think. It is having an arrogant perspective about yourself, your situation, your circumstance. So you see, there's pride and there's arrogancy in it. And if I could just pull it up real quick, philip, I found an awesome definition, if I can just find it really quickly. But while I look at it, why don't you share a little bit about what you're thinking about pride and how we're defining it?
Phillip Rich:Well, I think it's. I like the fact that you're bringing out the balance of it, because it is somewhat of a two-edged sword. It's like you've got pride on one end, meaning you take pride in something, like you're proud of what you're doing, meaning, uh, maybe you've invested time into it, like you talked about the garden. You know, when you take pride in something, um, on the positive side, it typically means you've made an investment of time and investment of effort, uh, to perfect something or to, um, do something in excellence. That that type of thing that can be a point of taking pride in something you know we talk about.
Phillip Rich:I'm sure you've heard things about certain communities. It's almost like they don't have any pride in the way they operate. Like you go there and everything looks broke down and the roads have potholes all in them and all the stores are run down and everything's trashy all over the place. It's like what happened to taking pride in where you live. You know, that type of thing that's not a bad type of pride. That's a good type of pride because it can lead to a good result. But then you do have the pride on the negative side, which is this self-exaltation, this idea that somehow you're the center of the universe. You know pride and self-centeredness are very much connected, and then also that sense of not only arrogance and thinking too highly of yourself than you ought to, but also thinking lower of others, you know. So there's that side of pride too.
Phillip Rich:It's like that high mindedness that causes you to look down on others. So there's that side of pride too. It's like that high-mindedness that causes you to look down on others. It's a prideful person. A lot of times they're always thinking in terms of comparison to someone else, and it reminds me of that parable in Leviticus 18. And I know I might be jumping ahead, but not Leviticus 18, Luke 18, where.
Phillip Rich:Jesus talked about the Pharisee and the publican, and the way the Pharisee prayed was such an indication of his pride because he said Lord, I thank you that I'm not like other people.
David McIntyre:Right.
Phillip Rich:I'm not like that guy over there, you know talking about the public, and he said you know I fast X times a week and I tie that of everything that comes in my garden.
Phillip Rich:I'm good to go, you know mint and rue yeah Mint and rue as they say and I think the conclusion was and it's been a minute since I've read that parable, but I think the conclusion was he said everyone. Been a minute since I've read that parable, but I think the conclusion was he said everyone that exalts himself will be abased, but he that humbles himself will be exalted. So you know, pride in that sense it's the thing that really is disgusting in God's eyes.
David McIntyre:Yeah, it is. Here's a definition that I came up with for pride. It is pride is the sinful elevation of self that leads us to place our confidence in our own strength, wisdom or status rather than in God. Wow, let me read that again Biblical pride is the sinful elevation of self that leads us to place our confidence in our own strength, wisdom or status rather than in God.
Phillip Rich:Wow.
David McIntyre:And there's a lot there, even with the story you were telling. You know, it kind of. It kind of reminded me. I forget what the parable is called, but the rich man I keep on saying the rich man and Lazarus.
Phillip Rich:That's it.
David McIntyre:There is one called that, yeah, there's a couple of Lazaruses and or Lazarai In the plural. But you know, it was interesting that the rich man dies, he sees what's real and wants to tell his family. And what does he do, you know, still thinking that even in death he's better than lazarus. He said just send Lazarus to tell my family. And he was met with a hard truth then as well no, nobody's going to tell your family. They have the prophets and they have the of those scriptures to teach them. So they'll have to figure this out. They're going to have to learn this on the own.
David McIntyre:We're not sending anybody, but just look at the pride that I could. Just I'm dead and in hell and I'm going to send somebody else to my family to tell them what I want them to say. It's the wildest thing. So, philip, let me ask you a question here. We kind of laid out a good round of definition about pride, okay, so then, first of all, we always, we talk about pride in the negative, all the time, and never in the, not rarely in the positive, and I also, I think, would point out the other thing, and you just mentioned it that the opposite of pride is humility.
Phillip Rich:Yeah.
David McIntyre:But I think we'll get into that in a couple of upcoming episodes, because that that humbleness doesn't mean humility doesn't equal doormat.
Phillip Rich:Yes.
David McIntyre:And we need to change our perspective on what humility means. But what would you? How? How is it that we allow pride to sneak into our lives and do so much damage?
Phillip Rich:Goodness man, I think honestly, part of it at least, is we think we know better than what God knows.
David McIntyre:All the time.
Phillip Rich:We think we know better how to run our life, how to get ahead. Know better how to run our life, how to get ahead you could name a bunch of different things where, any place where you can be reliant on your own resources and your own knowledge your own wisdom versus God's knowledge and resources and wisdom, anywhere where that is evident that could be a point where pride can enter in. And if you think about it also, that was the basic problem that happened in the Garden of Eden. You know, there was a tree that they weren't supposed to touch. Adam and Eve were not supposed to touch this one tree. God told them. He said every other tree in the garden you can freely eat, man, but don't mess with this one tree over here. And of course, satan comes to Eve. He's like hey, you know that thing that God said. I mean, is it really true? You know that you can't have any fruit off that tree? And Eve is like yeah, you know, you're not supposed to touch it. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Satan said well, here's the problem. God doesn't want you to know what he knows, you know. And he kind of goes that route. He's like he's keeping something from you is kind of the gist of what he was saying. And so, interestingly enough, interestingly enough in Genesis three, when, when the I think it was Genesis three when the fall of man happened, it said when Eve saw that the tree was good for food and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, those were the three things it mentioned, right, ryan? If you could put that up real quick, I think it's in Genesis 3. I could be totally leading you astray, dude, and it's the King James version, probably better. Yep, there it is in verse five. I think it was three five. Yep, it says and when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that's number one. It was pleasant to the eyes, number two. And a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof and did eat. Right, so that happened there.
Phillip Rich:Now go over to 1 John 2, if you don't mind, because this one blew me away when I found it. I think it was some commentary I was reading and he made this connection and I was like whoa, okay, 1 John 2, I think it's around verse 15. Yep, it says love, not the world around, verse 15. Yep, it says love, not the world, neither things that are in the world, for if any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
Phillip Rich:We can get into a whole conversation about that, but here's the one I want to focus on. For all that is in the world, here we go, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the pride of life. Here we go, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the pride of life. So we've got lust of the flesh she saw, the fruit was good for food Lust of the eyes, pleasant to the eyes. Pride of life. A tree to be desired to make one wise.
Phillip Rich:So all three of those things are listed right here in 1 John, chapter two, and it's like ain't nothing changed. You know, like this stuff is still the earmarks of pride right there, and it's always something that focuses on self, that exalts self, that is only concerned with self. That will always end you up in pride in one way or the other. That will always end you up in pride in one way or the other. So, um, again, David, to kind of, I guess, consolidate what I'm trying to say, it's typically when we think we know better than what God knows. We know what's good for our lives more than he knows. Those types of thoughts and ideas will always lead you down a path that'll end up in pride, for sure yeah, I think you're right and it's.
David McIntyre:You know, sometimes. You know you mentioned adam and eve and it's like you know, the subtlety of the snake, yeah, and I, I think the bible even calls them subtle and that's, it's that same subtlety that allows pride to slip in. You know, you don't a lot of times, even though I imagine sometimes it does, but a lot of times I don't think, and you know you guys can tell me if you think it's different. You know, I don't think that pride grows out of a moment, but I think it grows out of a series of moments. It's a, it's a. You know, you, you go over to somebody's house and you're like, wow, they've got a really nice so-and-so. And you know, you know that's just one time and maybe you don't think too much of it, except you wake up in the middle of the night thinking about what your life would be like if you had that so-and-so, and then starting to think about, well, what makes them so much better than you that they have a so-and-so?
David McIntyre:and you don't right right and one thought leads to another, leads to words, leads to actions, lead to feelings and you start looking at them differently and you start looking, as you say, down on them, thinking that you're better than them and that you deserve that.
David McIntyre:I'm always tickled by people, and the reason why I'm tickled by people is that how many times have you ever seen people say something like Jeff Bezos is an idiot? Yeah, so tell me about it, because, the way I see it is, you're living down here in your little brownstone and he's spending that part of his time on his big yacht that's bigger than your brownstone and and I'm not bragging on what he has but the man has clearly done something right in his life and he's put the pieces together and figured out how to move from point a to point b, and it has been financially beneficial to him to the point where he moved from, because if you've ever looked at the story, you see that his beginnings were quite humble yeah and he was running amazon out of his garage just selling books yeah yeah, and then grew over time and built it into more and to more, and to more, and now it's a multi-billion dollar business and, quite frankly, has created its own kind of industry.
Phillip Rich:Yeah.
David McIntyre:And you can almost find an Amazon warehouse in every state and all of that.
David McIntyre:But the average guy sometimes looks at what Bezos has and you hurt so much for what he has that you begin to try to look down on him and to put him in his place and you call him things like an idiot and not smart. And somebody could do this better than he could. And I always get tickled with people like that. I'm saying you, you. You not only are you jealous, but pride is riding that jealousy horse in your life and you so want what he has. And the only way that you can mentally get there and acquire it is to put yourself in a position where you think that you're better than he is. He may have all the money, but you're a better person.
David McIntyre:You sit in a more righteous place than he does, and it's subtle how this works. And then there's just the concept of you know, we get stuck and wiggle around in this pride because we don't want to trust God. I have somebody in my life and you know we've talked over and over again and she ought to know it by now. But my question is have you talked to the Lord about it yet? And she'll get mad at me and say no, why haven't you talked to the lord about it?
David McIntyre:because I don't want to hear what he has to say wow because her, because she stuck herself in a position where she feels like that, whatever she wants to do somehow or another, god is so mean that he's going to say no to everything that she wants. Wow wow and so her decision been I am going to make my own decisions. And so she doesn't even go to God, unless she absolutely feels like she has to in order to acquire wisdom and insight from him. How must God feel about that?
Phillip Rich:I think that he's probably facepalming with something like that, because he knows, oh gosh, he knows us, he knows everything about our lives. He knows every single path and decision we will ever make and ever could make, and also the outcomes for each one. You know, god's playing one trillion D chess, you know, and we're over here thinking that we know better than him. And it's funny because you know so many times we won't accept his answer, even though it's the right one.
Jon Dzyuba:You know.
Phillip Rich:we see, with such a limited view, and God is the air traffic controller, he's, he knows everything happening with all the planes in the air. We're busy flying our little propeller plane Like God. I don't see why I got to go down to 30,000 feet when I'm up here at 40. And he's like uh, trust me, you know, you know, and we just need to obey.
David McIntyre:Right.
Phillip Rich:That's the hardest thing for human beings to do, sometimes man.
David McIntyre:And how about to have it just set in your mind? You're so, you trust so deeply in yourself, yeah, that you're unwilling to ask God for the right answer and you'd rather toil for days over. Which is the right way to go in your own mind, that's to exalt yourself against the knowledge of God. Come on, and you know, philip, there's another situation. I had Joshua this week. You know he was, I would say he was having a fit of carnality, but that's neither here nor there. He's just in this place where he was. I think he was pitying himself.
Phillip Rich:Okay.
David McIntyre:We were trying to help. Lori was trying to help him with something. I tried to help him with it the night before and mentioned how he could potentially do it. And then the next day, lori was trying to help him with it and he got frustrated and he was like well, you know, I was just trying to stay out of everybody's way. Well, who asked you to stay out of everybody's way? Right, nobody did.
David McIntyre:That was you. That was you, and that was your own pride, with your own decision that you're just staying out of everybody else's way. You didn't want to bother anybody. Nobody said you were a bother, but that was pride. That was you exalting your own way above everybody else's.
David McIntyre:And instead of just simply asking for help, you decided that you were going to do it of your own accord, and your answer was to figure out the hardest possible way to do the job and then go do it, because you didn't want to interrupt anybody or interfere with their lives.
David McIntyre:You never gave anybody a chance, and so to me, that's pride, chance. And so to me, that's pride. That's your pride that positions you to go your own way and not even ask for help. You won't ask God for help, you won't ask your family for help, you won't even ask God for what the best way is, and you're wired to ask God what the best way is. And so there are all these. I think, philip, there are all these little, there are all these little holes. They're like mouse holes in the walls that allow pride to slip into your life and lead from just one thing to the next, to the next, and before you know it, it's all about you and it's none about God, and you've exalted yourself to be the God of your own life, to the point now where you're listening to yourself and going by that, rather than hearing God.
Phillip Rich:Yeah, yeah, that's good, david. It's so true, man. And as soon as we start exalting our own voice, we shut God's voice out. You know, because we think we know better. In Proverbs 3, it says be not wise in your own eyes. You know, fear the Lord and depart from evil. There's a reason why he's tying those things together because he knows us. He knows I think it's in Psalm 103. He said he knows our frame and he remembers that we're dust. You know, he knows we got issues, man. Thank you, ron, I think it's in. Let's see.
David McIntyre:Parts of 3.5 and then goes through 7.
Phillip Rich:Yeah, yep, oh gosh, I wish I could remember where that verse is. I know it's down there somewhere. Yeah, there it is, verse 14. He knows our frame. He is mindful that we are dust. You know we sit here and think that we've got everything figured out and all you have is the body of knowledge you've accumulated from however many years you've been on this earth, which, in the great timeline of human history, is nothing. You know, you're literally like a blip on the timeline of all humanity, but yet somehow you think you've accumulated enough knowledge to not need anybody's help or anybody's wisdom outside of your own. That is pride.
Phillip Rich:Meanwhile, god has given us through the word. He's given us absolute, like just timeless wisdom, stuff that's been around for thousands of years and it has worked for thousands of years. And he's given it to us and said here you go. You know, this is what you should live your life by. This is not something that's going to be out of fashion or out of season one day or one year. It's going to be, it's going to work from now until eternity, because everything that God says carries eternal value and is eternal truth. So it's like okay, which one do I want to go with my little, limited knowledge, or am I going to go with the timeless knowledge that God has given us to live my life with? Only a fool chooses his own wisdom every time.
David McIntyre:Only a fool chooses his own wisdom every time, and one of the things, as we kind of return to the corner towards the end of this episode, one of these scriptures that stands out to me about pride is it says Proverbs 8, 13. It says to fear the Lord is to hate evil. I hate arrogant pride, evil conduct and perverse speech. That's what the Lord says. Wow, wow. And so go ahead, phil.
Phillip Rich:No, no, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt man. I was just thinking how interesting how he tied those things together.
Jon Dzyuba:The fear of the.
Phillip Rich:Lord is to hate evil. Then the very next thing he says, pride and arrogance and the way of evil and perverted speech I hate. I think I'm looking at the English standard. Sorry, I'm reading down about two lines down. It's just interesting how the very first thing he said after the word evil was pride, and I can't help but think there's a connection there that in God's eyes, pride is actually evil. You know, it's nothing cute, it's nothing cool. It's something he looks at and is disgusted by because what it represents if you really want to break it down it represents you being your own God.
David McIntyre:That's exactly right.
Phillip Rich:So it's a form of idolatry. If you really dig a little further into it, it's you thinking that you can be your own god, you know um so, but I know I had to save that for maybe another episode here but it's even like the scripture you were just reading, when you won't go a little bit earlier.
David McIntyre:You know, proverbs 3 5 says trust in the lord with all of your heart and lean not onto your understanding, but you're busy trusting in yourself yeah and placing your confidence in what you bring to the table.
David McIntyre:Yeah, when the lord spends so much time in the word trying to get us to trust in him and what he brings to the table and tells us that's his, that's our strength, that's our way forward, he's our shield, he is our exceeding great reward, he's our comforter, he is everything that we, he's given unto us, all things that pertain unto life and godliness. So why in the world would we effort to lean onto anything we bring to the table? It's, it's like, you know. It's like bringing a knife to a sword fight and God's got big swords, short swords, this kind of sword, that kind of sword. He's got all kinds of weaponry out. And you pull out a little pocket knife that's a multi-unit pocket knife and say, well, I bought this. And the Lord's like we won't need that, I'm going to teach you how to use my weaponry so you can see how God would look at it as evil and ill, to exalt your way above his way. And there's just somebody. Please show me where that works out. Just somebody, please show me where that works out.
Phillip Rich:Right, it's so funny, man. I think it's in Job 6, maybe it says who has hardened himself against the Lord and prospered? He's asking the question like has anybody ever gone against God's way and done well? Thank you, Ryan. Man, I love Ryan, Always on the Johnny on the spot, Job 9. That's what it is. I had my six turned upside down. Uh, it says here his wisdom is profound, his power is vast. Who has resisted him and come out unscathed, dude that that'll preach all day long, man? And in in the new living translation it says for God is so wise and so mighty, who has ever challenged him successfully? You know that's.
Phillip Rich:I think this ties in pretty well with I forgot that maybe Proverbs 14, where it says there's a way that seems right to a man, but the end of that way is death. You think you've figured things out, and well, God, I'm going to go this way. But yet there it is. Man, Ryan is on the spot, bro. There is a way that appears to be right, but in the end it leads to death. Now it was. I mean dude.
Phillip Rich:I promise you, man's mind is full of ways that seem right. You know, that's where we get into trouble. Our minds can be full of ways that seem right. You know that's where we get into trouble. Our minds can be full of ways that seem right, but God said no, take my way, because the end thereof comes to death. You know, if you don't, if you, if you take your own way and you don't listen to my wisdom, you can end up in a place you don't want to be. And it may not be physical death all the time, but it could be the death of a relationship, the death of a business, you know, the death of your financial well-being. You know it could be. You know several different things, but again we go back to this over and over again. It is God's wisdom, revealed to us through his word, that enables us to understand his way, and once we find out his way, it's a wise person that will go that way.
David McIntyre:Right, right, you can see man's wisdom at work in the world we live in today.
Phillip Rich:Yeah.
David McIntyre:I mean, just look at it In this country right now. Man's way is to steal everything. Man's way is to take life unborn because you want to. Man's way is to say that you are not how God made you and created you. If you look at the sick mind of men right now and that which influences it, it's all, it's all evil. Right, it's, it's just pure evil in so many ways. The mind of men that would touch or do harm to children, the minds of men that would rape a woman, the minds of men that would do all of these, all of these heinous crimes and all of these things.
David McIntyre:We definitely need the mind of Christ in our country. And look, it's not like God, isn't? You know, the Bible says he owes a cattle on a thousand hills. In other words, god has more provision for all of us. So much more would.
David McIntyre:If we would trust in him and if we would let our minds be stayed on him and gave up all of this foolishness and all this sinful thinking, sinful action and sinful nature, we all could be blessed. We all could be living well and doing well as we trust God and follow him, being a blessing to our neighbors, being a blessing in our communities and all of that. But we, just the minds of men, are distorted and we need Christ Jesus to enter in first and to begin the process of renewing our minds so that we can begin to see what he has promised us and we can begin to chase after those things. But just looking at the mind of men, you can see why God would not want us to chase after and to trust in the minds of men, especially not in this day and age. And if you at you look at it biblically, you can look at it throughout the ages and see God never put his trust, not only in the minds of men, but it says that he knew the hearts of men, that they were wicked.
Phillip Rich:Oh, man, yeah, dude. And that's interesting because Jesus said you know, as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the days of the coming of the son of man. And we see it actually is recorded in around that time, when Noah was first getting the word from God to build the ark, it said that God looked around and saw that the hearts of men were only evil continually. And he said at that time the whole earth was full of violence. And it's like, wow, yeah, yeah, we're definitely in those similar days, man. So then it comes from the pride of man, it comes from the pride of men. You know things where we, we, we say we're just going to go against God's way. You know things where we say we're just going to go against God's way. And the pride of man led to the Tower of Babel, you know. And God had to tell him hey, ok, you think you're going to build this thing up to heaven. Sad thing, they can't communicate with each other anymore. You know, god, jesus said it himself. He said everybody that exalts himself will be abased, but he that humbles himself will be exalted. So and I know we're going to talk about that more in the future, david, about humility versus pride and things like that.
Phillip Rich:But I think if we could get anything out of this episode, maybe that we've put together, it's that God knows better than humans know, knows better than humans know. He created us. It's almost like me trying to tell Henry Ford what the Model T should look like, you know, or how it should run. He built the thing from the ground up. You know. He understands it better than I do. Well, you know, it's past tense, but you get my point. The maker of a thing understands how that thing operates better than somebody just coming from the outside in. So we have to humble ourselves and realize that he knows better than we know. That'll get you. That'll get you in a better place, for sure.
David McIntyre:Yeah, it will. We need to begin to make the quality decision to leave pride where it belongs, and that is out of the fear of us fear, excuse me, of our influence. We don't want pride, we don't want to have anything to do with it. We want to keep ourselves open to allow God to move. And there are so many times where, if we are wise, we will self-examine ourselves and we will identify pride. We will identify other sin and other thing and cast that junk out of our lives early, so that it doesn't hinder us from where God wants us to go and where we want to see ourselves go.
David McIntyre:So tonight I pray humility, I pray genuine humility that will absolutely change your life. And you know, if you're not born again, you know the first step is you've got to know him. You've got to know him and his great salvation and you know you have to invite him into your life. And you know it's as simple as acknowledgement of Lord. I've sinned against you. I've spent far too much time with my mind staying on me and doing things that hurt your heart. Lord, god, I repent of those things and I invite you to enter into my heart and take up your dwelling place and change my life for your good forever.
David McIntyre:And it's that simple prayer that invites Jesus into your life, that gives him room now and says, okay, I've got a new place to dwell, let's get to working on this new structure and then you begin to have life change, because it starts with the renewing of the mind and it grows from there. And you don't want to grow with pride locked in that heart, because it will begin to undo the structure, the new structure that you're building in your life. We're going to talk some more about pride. We're going to get to humility, I think, next week, and a few other things that we think will help you in your pride journey. Philip, any final thoughts on this one?
Phillip Rich:I think it'd be good thoughts on this one. I think it'd be good, like and including myself, it's always good to go to God, and with as much earnestness as you can. Sometimes it's hard, but you know, just to be honest with him and say you know, father, show me the areas where I've been in pride and it's not an easy thing to do, and I've had those times where, you know, I knew I was, but I wanted to defend, I wanted to deflect, I wanted to make excuses. And, man, for those of us who are married brother, let me tell you, if you've got a wife who's a project, she'll let you know it, dude, she'll let you know it and I do. I've got a woman who I mean, and she is spot on Most of the time, even if I fight and resist. I know also that sometimes what she's saying is the voice of God. It's the voice of God talking through her and it's like, okay, man, and sometimes it takes, you know, me examining the situation later, like you know, minutes later, whatever, however long later, and I look back and go, dang, yeah, I was in pride. I didn't want to admit it at the time, I wanted to defend my position, but I was in pride, you know, and it's not even just with marital relationships, but it could be with just other friendships, relationships, or even just in your own self, just stuff.
Phillip Rich:You did that. You know you shouldn't have done, because it came from a place of pride and you know it and God will show it to you later. Like you know, when you said that and when you did that, you were trying to get glory for yourself. That's what you were doing. You know for yourself, that's what you were doing.
Phillip Rich:You know things like that it's like, oh, it hurts, but it's true, you know, and at those moments it's not meant to condemn you, it's not meant to sit there and make you feel bad about yourself and beat yourself up for the rest of your life. It's meant for you to repent, like genuinely repent, and go God. Yeah, I missed it. Let me just repent and strive to do better from this point on. So I would say again just go to God as earnestly as you can and say show me the areas where you know, even if it hurts a little bit for me to hear it, I'm ready. Yeah, hit me with your best shot, you know so, it'll help out. It really will best shot you know, so it'll help out, it really will.
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