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Breaking the Cycle of Sin| Spiritual Adoption| Bible, Bros & Brew
Unlock the keys to breaking the cycle of sin and embracing your true identity in Christ in this powerful episode of Bible, Bros & Brew. How can understanding your spiritual adoption transform your life? Join us as we delve into Romans 8, exploring the journey of living a Spirit-led life and overcoming the pull of fleshly desires. Over cups of our favorite brews—Ryan’s Peet’s Coffee, David’s Green Mountain Sugar Cookie, and Phillip’s Peregrine Sangria de Christmas blend—we set the stage for a discussion on vigilance against temptation and the life-changing impact of recognizing yourself as God’s beloved child.
We reflect on how living by faith and love leads to true righteousness rather than rigid adherence to rules. Through the lens of Romans 13, we contrast the Pharisees’ rule-keeping with Jesus’ call to faith, examining the internal battle between flesh and Spirit. Drawing on Galatians 5 and Romans 7 and 8, we unpack the freedom that comes from spiritual adoption, highlighting the beauty of becoming joint heirs with Christ. Together, we celebrate the intricacies of God’s Word, its timeless wisdom, and its call to a life of freedom and righteousness.
This episode offers encouragement for those navigating the ups and downs of their faith journey, reminding you of the assurance of no condemnation in Christ. Learn how to rise again after setbacks, persevere in faith, and embrace your identity as a cherished child of God. Don’t miss this insightful conversation—like, subscribe, and share on YouTube, Rumble, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and Instagram. Let’s grow together as a community of faith, embracing God’s truth and walking boldly in His promises.
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Hi guys, welcome to another episode of Bible Pros and Brew. Glad you guys could join us. My name is Phillip and I'm sorry that I'm almost about to bust out laughing right now. Please, thanks for tuning in with us. Welcome to the podcast. We are happy to have you with us. Welcome to the podcast. We are happy to have you with us, happy to have all of our people tuning in from YouTube and from Instagram.
Speaker 1:We are continuing in the vein of going through the book of Romans, specifically Romans 6, 7, and 8. We've just been hammering that theme of breaking the cycle of sin and how to live a victorious life through what the Word of God says about who you are in Christ, your identity. That's one of the big, big key points we've been trying to focus on during this whole series of episodes and if you haven't yet heard the ones that have come before this one, we recommend that you go back and listen to the past few weeks of the podcast. That we've done. But anyway, before I get any further, my name is Philip and, of course, with me is David. To my, oops, to my whatever. I'm in the middle.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, ryan, the producer here. Yes, sir, I just want to go ahead and apologize for the ridiculous intro that I, that I, have forced us to endure. So, but at any rate, we wanted to just go ahead and do our famous thing that we always do at the beginning of our episodes, and talk about what is in the cup. So I'll tell you what. Let me start with Ryan tonight. What is in your cup, sir? Well, I've got the?
Speaker 2:um the classic, I mean um the one and the only, uh, pete's. Got to have the Pete's. Um, staying on the Pete's, Gotta have the Pete's. Oh, we're staying on the Pete's. And I actually have a different kind of coffee cup here. It's a Christmas ornament. You can see, I'm ready for Christmas. And this little Christmas ornament, this was a gift that David gave me several years ago.
Speaker 3:And I still have it. Oh, back in the days when I cared. Oh man. I just read you how long Ryan has had a coffee problem.
Speaker 1:It's just a small marker on the path. I see that now.
Speaker 3:That's a dark roost.
Speaker 1:Little did we know the slippery slope it would become.
Speaker 3:Right right.
Speaker 1:How about you, David, what you got in the cup man?
Speaker 3:Man, I'm in the holiday mood because it's holiday time. So of course I had to bring out good old-fashioned sugar cookie.
Speaker 1:So I've got.
Speaker 3:Green Mountain Sugar Cookie Coffee with me and I'm enjoying every illustrious coffee.
Speaker 2:Illustrious, that is awesome.
Speaker 1:Love to hear it. Well, on the theme of Christmas and holidays and so forth, I did want to, of course, highlight one of the most awesome coffees that normally come around this time of year at the peregrine headquarters, and it is their sangria de christmas. Blend here has notes of chocolate, sugar plum and caramel apple. So, um, it's super good, man. They did a blend last year. It was slightly different, um, and it was awesome as well. But they like to kind of flip the script every year, from what I gather. I could be totally wrong, but it seems like they're always just searching for that next great flavor at Peregrine. So I say they've done a great job. To me it's hitting all the, it's filling, checking all the boxes, in other words.
Speaker 3:So yeah, man, man, good stuff I am waiting my own bag of that very coffee, so I too might have the taste joys that you have you will not be disappointed, man.
Speaker 1:Um they. They are releasing constant bangers out there in colorado.
Speaker 2:Colorado.
Speaker 1:But enough of the pleasantries, let's get on into what we're going to talk about tonight. Sorry, I just got tickled really bad earlier, man, with what we were doing. So I got to get over that and be serious, since we're talking about very serious things tonight. But I wanted to talk about, or continue in, what we began last week. We were working our way through Romans 8. It may have been actually two episodes ago where we started Romans 8, man, I think that's what it was but we've been in this vein of breaking the cycle of sin and understanding what the Bible says about our position in Christ, our identity in Christ. Our identity in Christ, because David, as David and I have been talking about for a while now, when you find out what your identity is in him, there's something about it that changes your perspective not only of yourself, but also of how you deal with sin, how you understand sin, how you navigate the difficulties that come with those temptations that try to tug at you.
Speaker 1:In Hebrews 12, it talks about that we should lay aside every weight and the sin that so easily besets us. Is what it says in the King James, and there's some other translations that say lay aside every weight and the sin that so easily entangles us. It's interesting to me it's like the Bible makes no bones about it that sin can easily entangle us. It's not a thing where you know even no matter how long you've been saved, no matter how many years you've been saved, how many years you've been saved it's something that you have to stay vigilant about, recognizing those temptations and those pathways that you know are going to lead to the wrong thing. I'm telling you, it's something that we honestly can never take a break from, because, as 1 Peter 5 says, we have an enemy and he's going around seeking whom he may devour. He's going around trying to see where those vulnerabilities are. It's almost like a hacker who's just intent on creating chaos, no matter where he goes. He's looking for the vulnerability in the system and as soon as he finds that weak point, that's the one he's going to exploit. And I see that Satan is the same way, the enemy is the same way. He's looking for that vulnerability, that one place that's a bit of a chink in the armor, if you want to call it that, and that's the area that he's going to target. Whatever buttons that he knows he can push, he's going to zero in on that thing and try to get you to fall for that same old thing every single time. So we've been dealing with that through the Romans 7 lens and it carried us into Romans 8.
Speaker 1:And just a quick thing about Romans 7, I won't stay long on this. But the whole point of Romans 7 that Paul was kind of emphasizing was this struggle that we have, and he was saying the thing that I want to do, I end up not doing. The thing that I know I should do, I don't do. It turns into this thing where he's resisting and fighting, and fighting and resisting. He's like man, good Lord, I feel like a hot mess who can deliver me from this constant struggle against temptation and sin. And that's when he says I thank God through Jesus Christ, our Lord. He can. And then that's when we transitioned into Romans 8. And so let's just pick up here in Romans 8. Ryan, if you don't mind putting that up on the screen there, we made our way roundabout to, I think, verse 10, but we're going to start at verse 12 tonight. It's such a good, good thought to kind of marinate on here. It says so you have received a spirit that makes you fearful slaves. Instead, you received God's spirit.
Speaker 3:Oh man.
Speaker 1:That's true. What happened was we jumped into another timeline. This is the Mandela. We're back in the Romans 8-12 timeline now. So it says here therefore, dear brothers and sisters, you have no obligation to do what your sinful nature urges you to do. I just want to just pause right there for a moment. David, what are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 3:You have no obligation to do what your sinful nature urges you to do. Yeah, I love that verse because I actually in the King James. It says, you know, it says we are debtors, but not to the flesh to live after the flesh, but to the spirit to live after the flesh, but to the Spirit, to live after the Spirit and to mortify, to put to death the body, this body of the flesh.
Speaker 3:Right and I love that we do. I've been thinking about it like this we do owe a debt. We are not without debt. Concerning this, it's just like Jesus says my yoke is easy and my burden is light. Yes, and when you look at it, you find out. The debt is to live right. Wow, that's what the payment of the debt looks like.
Speaker 3:It's to live after the Spirit, to live this life following the guidance of the debt looks like, is to live after the Spirit, to live this life following the guidance of the Holy Spirit and mortifying and putting to death the deeds of the flesh, so that you're not following and being tormented by and bought back into slavery to the deeds of the flesh. Bought back into slavery to the deeds of the flesh.
Speaker 3:that's sin, that's trying to get you to get back into, whatever that thing that might itch you, whatever that illicit desire that may be trying to pull at you. But not to that, Don't return to that. Keep living the good life that God has ordained for you. And I thought that's such a profound just. It's a simple scripture. It's sitting there, but it's not one that we think about. That our debt is to live a good life, to live by walking by the spirits.
Speaker 1:That's good, man, that's good. It's such a it kind of relieves you of a lot of things, and I think because when we come into the faith, you know we might be and in my case I know I definitely dealt with this and you probably did too, david, just based on our conversations but you have a little bit of a legalism that you have to overcome, right, it's like this thing of you know, okay, I got my list of things that I should do and the things I should not do, and as long as I'm checking everything off every day, then I'm good. But the bad part is when you inevitably fail, all of a sudden you're condemning yourself, you're dealing with all those feelings of guilt and condemnation and shame or whatever it might be, and most of the time those things were self-imposed. I mean, the thing that God told us to do is in romans 13 oh, no man, anything but to love him. That's it. If you love your neighbor, you have fulfilled the law. You fulfilled every obligation that the law put out there for us.
Speaker 3:You know, I love that scripture. It says oh no mande, no man. In other words if we're comparing that to the verse we just read don't be in debt to any man for any reason. Debt belongs to God.
Speaker 1:Come on, man, dude, and if you think about it, isn't it the least we could do? Man, it's like he died for us. He took our sin, took our punishment, gave us a new spirit on the inside of us, gave us the Holy Spirit, cleansed us with the blood. We have unlimited access to his presence all the time. We have all these benefits and it's like, dude, the least I can do to show my gratefulness, man is to live for him. You know to do my best to try to live for him every day. Praise God.
Speaker 3:That's so good, phil, that's really good.
Speaker 1:Praise God. And so, yeah, right there in Romans 13, it says, you know, be indebted to no one except to one another in love, for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. And then he said you know the commandments don't commit adultery, don't murder, don't steal, don't covet, and any other commandments are summed up in this one decree Love your neighbor as yourself. And I think that's what's so interesting is we started focusing on the individual do's and don'ts, and I think you probably heard this too, david.
Speaker 1:By the time Jesus arrived in the intertestamental period between, like Malachi and Matthew, the Pharisees and the scribes and all the religious elite, they had created such a system of laws and regulations and rules, most of which weren't even in the original scriptures. You know this thing had grown and grown like almost like the US tax code. You know it just keeps getting bigger and bigger. It's like after a while there was like oh, I think they said some, some theologians, whoever said that it's over like 600 different crazy regulations. They came up with that you had to follow, right, and you kind of you see a little bit of it in the Gospels when you know Jesus would go here and do something and the Pharisearisees would be.
Speaker 1:Now, why did you do that? How come you didn't wash your hands before you touched the pot and all this stuff like that? And so we find out just this complete. It was like an oppressive religious bondage that people were living under um to to the point to where jesus had to rebuke him. He's like look, you guys are binding all these heavy burdens on people, you know, and they're crushed beneath the weight of it, but you won't even lift a finger to help them at all.
Speaker 3:Avoiding the things of the spirit in order to fill the things of the flesh. Goodness man things of the flesh. Goodness man just out there and just think about how they keep law after law after law upon themselves and just talk about living a life of bondage. Just think about it that you are literally a slave to these laws and instances and you've made yourself subject to all of these man-made, you know not god-ordained things, because none of them had much to do with living after the spirit they had the only thing to do with variations of living according to this flesh and trying to use piety for being pious and extra religious as a means to try to create a righteousness that couldn't be created through those things.
Speaker 1:Come on, man. You know what Jesus said too. It's fascinating. He said unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter into the kingdom of God. And they freaked out because they were like I'm sure most of them were thinking wait a minute. You know, the Pharisees and scribes are the most righteous people we know. Right, you know, and it was.
Speaker 3:And how about we do what they do?
Speaker 1:Exactly. It's like, you know, we're struggling, trying to keep up with these guys and you're saying that, unless my righteousness exceeds that, what he was getting at was, there's a completely different type of righteousness that you have to enter into that is not dependent on rule keeping, you know, not dependent on checking off your little checklist every day, and it is a righteousness which is, by faith, right Rule keeping, you know, not dependent on checking off your little checklist every day, and it is a righteousness which is by faith.
Speaker 3:Right, you know, philip. What's interesting is that, as we look over 6, 7, and now that we're into 8, not one time has Jesus called us to live in any other kind of way. In any other kind of way. He's told us each time. He's told us about what the answer is. It has nothing to do with all of that stuff.
Speaker 1:That's right.
Speaker 3:Nothing to do. It's about choosing to follow after righteousness rather than sin. It's about living this life according to the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus versus the law of sin and death.
Speaker 1:And you know bringing you know.
Speaker 3:But it's righteousness. Sin in the flesh, you know it's righteousness. It's righteousness in life, sin in the flesh and death. And it's like these are what you have to choose from, and it never once says all of these other things are going to get you there. It says that we have to die by faith in Christ Jesus and then be risen with him again and that we need to.
Speaker 3:You know, here, in just a minute, it's going to talk about the fact that we suffer with him so that we can glory with him. So it totally, once again, it's totally counterculture, it's totally coming from a different angle altogether. And you know, it's wild. It's wild All the things that we try to do, even just thinking about what we're talking about, which is, you know, breaking the cycle of sin. We try all of these things in our flesh to bring it to an end, and the end doesn't come in the flesh. The end comes, or at least the end begins, through your work in the spirit and choosing to mortify the deeds of the flesh so that from the spirit realm comes the destroyer of that fleshly sinful behavior. So many people are trying to kill the flesh so they can experience a spiritual thing, and it just doesn't work that way.
Speaker 3:That's backwards.
Speaker 1:That's right, it's the cart before the horse. Ryan, if you wouldn't mind, could you um head over to galatians 5 real quick? Just a quick little thing I wanted to touch on. I know we're kind of freestyling right now, david, okay, if you don't mind? In 16, verse 16, it says this I say then walk by the Spirit and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh.
Speaker 3:I love the King James of that. It says walk by the Spirit and you will not fulfill.
Speaker 1:Fulfill, fulfill the lust of the flesh. That's right. And what's interesting is, when I looked up that word fulfill in the Greek it meant to bring something to completion and I thought about that. I said that's the key, right there? It's not that you won't have lust of the flesh ever, there it is. You will not gratify to end, to finish, to fulfill, to accomplish.
Speaker 1:So that's the thing he's telling us that if we will focus on walking in the spirit, in other words, doing our best to live our life by what God's word says, doing our best to stay in fellowship and in connection with God through getting into the word, through prayer, through doing our best to walk in love, those things help you stay in the spirit, if you want to call it that. Walking in the spirit is not some spooky thing where you walk around looking weird and tiptoeing and nothing like that. It has nothing to do with it. It's about being governed by the Holy Spirit in you, being yielded to the holy spirit in you so that he can lead you, he can tell you what's out and what's safe and he can, you know, guide you through and navigate through these things that are hard to to discern sometimes in terms of. Should I do this? Should I not? It's time to listen to the Holy Spirit, you know, and of course base it on the written word number one.
Speaker 1:But he said if you do that, then you won't fulfill, meaning you won't bring to completion the lust of the flesh. Those lusts may try to come, those temptations may try to come, but they won't find a fulfillment. They won't find a fulfillment. You'll be able to stave them off, you'll be able to not go that way or go that route or fall into that trap, because you're led by the Spirit. And it even says, I think a little bit later in that Galatians passage it says if you're led by the Spirit, you're not under the law, you won't be in that same bondage that Paul was talking about in Romans 7. But any thoughts on that, davidid? I know I've been saying a lot no, I actually just got you.
Speaker 3:You sidetracked me in my mind and I, I, I, because I was thinking about the fact that at some point we need to, we need to talk about what it means to walk in the spirit yeah, and you know that you're right. It's not this, this spooky stuff. You know, it's not. It's not all. Of a sudden your behavior turns weird and you start doing your hands and all these ways and that makes you super spiritual and you start wearing shawls.
Speaker 3:You know that flow in the wind, so it looks like you've always got a wind at your back. Just all this other stuff that we try to substitute true spirituality with, all these physical implements that don't serve any purpose except to try to convince people that we're something that there's no evidence that we really are yet, which is spiritual.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:But again, even here in Galatians, though I just we're starting to see a biblical pattern.
Speaker 3:now it's not just Romans 6, 7, and 8, but it's a biblical pattern Walk in the Spirit and you will not fulfill the lust of the flesh. Walk in the Spirit. Romans 8 tells us live after the Spirit, don't live after the flesh. Mortify the deeds of the flesh. Walk in the law of the Spirit. We keep seeing it over. We're not just being repetitive, we keep seeing it over and over and over again. So we begin to see that it is a law of life for the believer to walk in the Spirit and not in the flesh, and it's not do you know?
Speaker 3:there's not. I don't know, philip, maybe I should ask it rather than assume it.
Speaker 1:I don't know how you can walk in the spirit and in the flesh it's not, it one's gonna, one's gonna fall to the other, correct, you know, um, I think that was one of the big Gnostic beliefs back in the early church days. They had this belief that the flesh was completely evil and the spirit was completely holy and good. So it doesn't matter how you lived in your body, you can go out and sleep with everybody, you can do whatever and it's okay, because, hey, the flesh is fully evil, it's not redeemable, blah, blah, blah. So there's no way that that dichotomy can work in real life. You know, whatever and it's okay because, hey, the flesh is fully evil, it's not redeemable, blah, blah, blah, you know. So there's no way that that dichotomy can work in real life.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 1:You know you have to. One has to yield to the other. Right and I'll say this because it's something that I heard a minister say a long time ago which one is going to win out, it's going to be the one that you feed the most.
Speaker 3:Talk about it, man Talk about it.
Speaker 1:Whether it's the Spirit or the flesh the one that's going to win out. In Galatians 5, it even says the flesh is struggling against the Spirit and the Spirit against the flesh. It's like there's this conflict there. Actually, ron, if you could pull that up for me. In Galatians 5 again, and it says yep, verse 17,. For the flesh lusts against the Spirit and the Spirit against the flesh, and these are contrary the one to the other. I've looked it up. One day I was reading the Kenneth Weiss Word Studies in the New Testament and he really kind of zoomed in on that and he said that the picture that's given in the greek is two armies that are entrenched against each other in battle flesh on one side, the spirit on the other, and neither one of them has given up their position. You know. So you've got this thing going on. It's a constant clash, tug war, if you want to call it that, and the one that's going to win out is the one that you feed the most.
Speaker 3:Hey, ryan, pull that back up, because there's something else in there that once again leads us back to Romans, chapter 8, and it's the end of verse. Verse 17 it says these are contrary to one another, so that you cannot do the things that you would. That takes us back to actually Romans, chapter 7. Isn't that what Paul was saying?
Speaker 1:the things that I would do.
Speaker 3:I don't do and the. Thing that I would not do. That's exactly what I do. It's the two armies at the standoff. The standoff isn't external, the standoff is internal, where you have two armies at war one wanting to do the will of God, one desiring to follow after and do the lust of the flesh, which is to follow after Satan? And you can't do both.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Also too. I don't know if you guys noticed, but the Bible hub is right here. It references Romans eight, nine through 11. Oh wow, I didn't even see that.
Speaker 1:Oh there you go. That's awesome Good stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And what's so cool about that is is I don't even know what time or timeframes these different letters were written apart from each other, but it just shows the consistency of the message that the Holy spirit is bringing out. You know cause he wrote this letter to the Galatians a whole different region than in Rome, you know, but yet the messaging is the same. The same exact ideas behind it from the Spirit of God are there, and I just think that's the coolest thing, man.
Speaker 3:Well, if you're one of those people out there and you're looking for evidence, one of the evidences of the reality of God's Word being true is its interconnectedness.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 3:That you have 66 books where you have all of these different authors. It says that God breathed into these men, and then you can sit down and you can look at it. I've seen some of the charts where you can literally look and it's an impossible list to go through of this verse references. This verse. This verse references this and the cross-referencing of the Bible is just immaculate. Yeah, and it's just another proof that God is who he said he is and his word is what he said it is.
Speaker 3:That's good said he is, and his word is what he said it is. If you're looking for something, all you've got to do is just go out there and look at the interconnectedness of the Bible. Google that or something like that, and you should be able to pull up one of those charts and see just how overlapping all of these verses are. It's not just the New Testament overlaps with the New Testament and the Old Testament with the Old Testament. It's their cross, it's all over the place, old to new. It's beautiful.
Speaker 1:It is. It is One of my favorite Bible teachers ever, Chuck Missler. He would always say this he said that 66 books written by 40 different authors. Oh, that's neat, Holy smokes. Is that the cross-reference diagram? Yes, oh goodness man.
Speaker 2:What you can't see here. These are the different scriptures down here at the bottom, here at the bottom, and then each of these represents how they correlate to another scripture in the Bible and I think this long line. Here is the middle is where the New and the Old Testament come together.
Speaker 1:Gracious alive man. That's something right there. I don't know if you guys feel the same way. To me it's a a beautiful visual I agree yeah it just shows you the wisdom of god man.
Speaker 1:And um, I I was going to say um. What chuck misser always would say is that it's an integrated message system. It's an integrated message system from old to an integrated message system, from Old to New Testament, and I mean even in the book of Revelation. Just by itself it quotes the Old Testament over 300 times. So there's plenty of integration. And I crack up when I hear people say the Bible contradicts itself. I'm like I'm sorry, but you haven't studied it enough. That's the only way you could come to that conclusion that you have not studied it enough. I promise you that.
Speaker 3:You can literally use the Bible itself as a concordance to the.
Speaker 1:Bible.
Speaker 3:Yes. It's true, it was Joseph Prince and another guy that I'd like to watch. Now I only see his shorts. I forget his. I don't forget his name. I just don't know how to pronounce it. I think it's Mudball or something like that.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:But one of the things he was saying, and I remember Joseph Prince saying it a long time ago let the Bible interpret the Bible. Yes, right, yes you can do that because there is all of this interconnectedness that you can literally go back and find spots and cross-reference and make your way through.
Speaker 1:It's, it's awesome praise god, praise god, man. We went down a trail. We weren't expecting man, but that man. We went down a trail, we weren't expecting man, but that was good stuff. I mean the Word of God, guys. And this is why David and I even started this whole podcast was because we wanted to put out something that exalted God's Word, that focused on God's Word, because he and I both we've studied the Bible for a good while now.
Speaker 1:Um, and it's the thing you know, there's a lot of stuff you can get sidetracked on within christianity. You know you can get sidetracked on, maybe, what church you're going to, or what movement you're a part of, or, uh, even, some teachers you listen to, or some charismatic figures or whoever else. But at the end of the day, man, if you develop a relationship with the Bible, with the Word of God itself, I'm telling you, it'll put you on more solid footing than anything else you could do. And don't get me wrong church is awesome. All the other stuff, the Christian activities are awesome. Even judgment journey during Halloween time even that's awesome. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3:Where did that come from?
Speaker 1:Oh, man, there's a whole story behind that. But at the end of the day, man, to me all those things are supplements. Your first priority should be how you are connecting with the Word of the day. Man, to me all those things are supplements. Your first priority should be how you are connecting with the Word of God itself, how you're connecting with the Bible, just you and the Word of God. Even books written about the Bible are no substitute for the Bible.
Speaker 3:That's correct. That's correct.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Great. Let's keep reading in Romans, chapter 8, because we got a little bit more. We want to get to and I'm already seeing that our time is. Our time is trying to run from us faster than a snail on hypothesis melon steroids. I have no idea what that means, but we'll keep going. Look at verse verse 13. For if you live by its dictates, give me the King James there, big guy. Verse 13. For if you live unto the flesh, you shall die, but if you, through the Spirit, do mortify the deeds of the body, you shall live.
Speaker 3:It doesn't get any clearer than that. It doesn't need explanation. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God. They are the sons of God. Now can we Philip? We just need to put a little marker right here.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 3:Just think of that for a minute. As many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Now we get to this place where we can even better begin to discern who's following the Spirit of God and who's not. And those who are are considered sons, or if you're female daughters of God, we are the sons and daughters of God. But it says sons not because it's excluding women, but it's using sonship as an overarching kind of category to say all of these are mine, men and women.
Speaker 3:So, You're not excluded from this picture, but we are the sons of God if we are led by the spirit of God. And then it goes on to say for you have not received the spirit of bondage again, to fear but you have received the spirit of adoption whereby we cry that Abba, father, in a minute, philip, but what do you? Think when you're hearing this verse come through.
Speaker 1:You know, it's interesting because this ties also into Galatians and we won't go there for the sake of time. But he had that allegory about the bondwoman versus the free woman.
Speaker 1:Yep about the bond woman versus the free woman, yep, and his whole point was there was the law which created bondage versus living by the spirit which creates freedom. And so that's kind of the theme also that he's touching here in Romans 8. He's saying you've not received the spirit of bondage again, unto fear, but instead you have received the spirit of adoption. So in other words, you're not approaching God as a servant anymore, now that you're born again, you're not a servant anymore, you're a son now, you're a part of the family. Now you have received the spirit of adoption, and there's a whole thing about the adoption.
Speaker 1:There's books that have been written about this stuff. But the bottom line is God now considers you to be his child, not just some rando that serves him, you know. And so we have to change our mindset, because the thing that happens when you have that servant mindset, you have that legalistic mindset, that bondage mindset All it does is produce fear. And that's why he said that. He said you've not received the spirit of bondage again, unto fear, but instead you've received the spirit of adoption and I think, david, you're going to touch on that thing about and that produces us being able to call God Father in a very personal way.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I want to read this one too, verse 15. Yeah, verse 4, I was talking about 14. In the New Living Translation it says for all who are led by the Spirit of God are children of God. So you have not received a spirit that makes you fearful slaves Come on.
Speaker 3:Just think back to what we were talking about. You know, for example, making you fearful slaves, making you afraid that if you don't wash your hands 12 times a day, that you're not righteous enough, you're not good enough, that if your plates aren't washed a certain way, with the right cleaning tactic, that you are not a son of God. God and all of these other rituals that were put in place as laws that were designed to make you believe that they could purchase your righteousness, when that could never be the case.
Speaker 3:We've always needed saviors, but it goes on to say you have not received a spirit that makes you fearful slaves, makes you fearful slaves. Instead, you receive God's Spirit when he adopted you as His own children. Now we call Him Abba, father. So it goes back to our sonship again that God adopted us when he adopted us and made us His own children. Now we don't just refer you know I'm not beating up anybody who calls God God because I call him God but there's something deeper there and I want you to look at this term Abba, father.
Speaker 3:And it's very interesting because this word Abba if you take some time and look that up and, ryan, if you want to pull it up one of the things that it refers to when it says Abba is it means it's like calling God Father. When it refers to Father here it's talking about something deeper than just, oh, responsibility. It means that there's intimacy between the child and the dad, there is trust that is developed between the child and the dad, and so when we cry out Abba, father, we're crying out Abba, saying Father, we trust you, we have an intimate relationship.
Speaker 3:And then when it says Father, the second time, that refers to not only the God who has transitioned us from slaves to sons, the God who has transitioned us from slaves to sons but it also refers to provision, care, and that God, not only does God intimately and deeply love me, but he also will provide for me and take care of me, his provision and he will provide leadership All of that is when that double Abba, father, father, father.
Speaker 3:We're really saying something much, much, much, much more deep about who God is as a result of his adopting us and calling us his sons. Now we're no longer. We don't belong to this world anymore. We belong to a father. Father, we belong to someone who loves us deeply, intimately, cares for us and provides for us, provides leadership for us and will take care of us.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:It's a very, very involved meaning, but it just means that God loves you deeply. Wow, that's so good. I think that just in reading that this morning, I don't know why that stood out to me and why I dug into those words a little bit. But yeah, it's a term of endearment. Right, really that stood out to me and why I dug into those words a little bit. But yeah, it's a term of endearment.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 3:Really so. It's a beautiful thing there, Phil.
Speaker 1:It's interesting, man. I remember there was an episode Stephanie and I used to watch this show called Bridezilla. Have you ever heard that show? Unfortunately, yes, yes, but there was an episode with a young lady who was getting married and I think they were Israeli or something like that, but anyway, her dad was you know, he was the guy who's going to pay for everything, you know, and throughout the whole episode she would call him Abba all the time. That was her name for him. And it hit me oh yeah, it's Hebrew and it means it's an intimate term, like daddy. You know, that kind of thing is how it's kind of treated, and I thought that was fascinating. I was like, oh wow, this is like what the Bible says. You know, that's exactly right. It's the same kind of on a personal basis, not something formal even, you know, and we're not used to dealing with God in that way, I would say because, you know, religion loves to create barriers between us and God that's, that's so good, I'm telling you.
Speaker 3:Good then it goes on a little bit. I'll take it a little step further. In Romans, chapter 8, not only do we get to call him Abba Father and see him move in our lives, as he always intended, but we also get his spirit. And then in verse 17,. And since we are his children, we are his heirs, so now we also get an inheritance.
Speaker 1:Goodness man.
Speaker 3:And it says in fact, together with Christ, we are heirs of God's glory. But if we are to share his glory, we must also share his suffering. I want to deal with that in just a minute, but I want you to see here, in verse 16 and 17, at least the first part of it, and everything from where he starts talking about how we are children and we are adopted. God's just piling on, yeah yeah, he's just piling on. Yeah, yeah, he's just piling on about our position with him and that should part of it.
Speaker 3:You know, maybe in light of what we've been reading, philip, maybe it's just. Maybe that's motivation for us to put to death the deeds of the flesh Right Because we're adopted kids but we're not treated like we're adopted. We're treated just like he gave birth to us. Yeah, we're not treated any differently. He cares for us, he loves us, he's endeared to us.
Speaker 3:We have an intimate relationship with him, where not only is that relationship deep and intimate, he's even made us heirs. So we're not like some adopted kids who, even though they're adopted and part of a family, they don't get to partake in the inheritance of that family but God has ensured that we have an inheritance with him, and not just an inheritance with him, but we are joint heirs with Christ Jesus.
Speaker 3:So we get this inheritance of resurrected life. We get this inheritance of blessings on the earth and the promises of God. It's a beautiful, beautiful something about that. It's a beautiful, beautiful thing that we get to benefit from as being called as kids. But it does say something interesting that I think we all have to take into account and that is all of that belongs to us. But if we are to share His glory, we must also share His suffering.
Speaker 1:See, there's a whole message and a whole other podcast behind this phrase here, man.
Speaker 3:Give us a little something to just lay out the top.
Speaker 1:I'll say this because every time I see that scripture I also immediately think of Hebrews 2, when it says because he suffered, being tempted, he's able to come to the aid of those who are tempted as well. So I do believe part of that suffering that he's referring to is dealing with the temptations of this world, dealing with the temptations of the flesh to is dealing with the temptations of this world, dealing with the temptations of the flesh not being able to, or not allowing your flesh to do whatever it wants to do. That's actually a form of suffering. And, man, you want to talk about living a wildlife that's going to lead nowhere.
Speaker 1:Try to fulfill every little whim of your flesh. Try to just be undisciplined about everything. It's going to end up in a bad spot, but that's what the flesh wants, for whatever reason. You know it says the carnal mind is totally hostile to God. It's enmity against God, it works against him all the time. And this is the thing that we have to contend with, like we've been talking about before, of the flesh wanting to go one way but God and the Holy Spirit and the Word telling us to go the other way. That is a form of suffering for us to have to deal with that and overcome it. Not always the easiest thing, for sure.
Speaker 3:True, that's good, Philip, and I mean this is a part of and well, it's a part of the Christian life that God gives us, this glory, but we also have some suffering that we have to deal with, and I think it's very true, like what you said, part of our suffering is to walk out this Christian life and deny the flesh.
Speaker 1:Yep, yep.
Speaker 3:You guys don't need me to tell you that the flesh can be very demanding and it can be very, very strong. And to deny that flesh and to walk according to the will of God and the word of God, instead of saying yes to the flesh, is a significant work. And so it's my prayer that you I don't know what the word is, philip my prayer is that you win, that you win every battle, and that you win every battle, expecting and planning to win, and that even if you lose a battle, you come back stronger and you win it the next time a battle you come back stronger and you win it the next time, because we do have to win.
Speaker 3:We have to win Because that's how we go from glory to glory to glory. I'm starting to believe maybe going from glory to glory to glory has something to do with us overcoming the suffering at that stage and moving on to the next because we've overcome something.
Speaker 1:That's good man. Wow, good stuff, david. I think it's a good spot for us to put our bookmark for the night, but we've got a lot more to cover. As you can see, we're slowly but surely trotting our way through Romans 8. It's just so much good stuff.
Speaker 3:We actually kind of bought it to a place where, at least, as it relates to breaking the cycle of sin, that we can put that final bookmark in that spot and, who knows, we'll probably have to revisit it at some point but we've been walking down this road for a good little bit of time now. There's a lot for you to hear yeah, definitely, definitely.
Speaker 1:Well, any final thoughts, David, about everything we discussed?
Speaker 3:No, I just really want to encourage you, don't just hear the podcast, go read, yes, go read Romans 6, 7, and 8. Don't just hear the podcast. Go read yes, go read Romans 6, 7, and 8. And take it in for yourself, and take it in slowly and deeply.
Speaker 3:And let it speak to you, because I believe that as you earnestly approach the word, one of the things that God will do is he will reveal himself in his word to you, and he's not ashamed to do that, he's not afraid to do it. He's just waiting for you to come to him and he'll show it to you. So go and read those verses and those chapters and let it minister to you. And just remember breaking the cycle of sin boils down to a decision whether you'll walk according to the spirit of life in Christ Jesus or whether you'll give yourself over to the law of sin and death and go the wrong way. So walk in the spirit and you won't fulfill the lust of the flesh.
Speaker 1:Couldn't have said it any better, man Good stuff, good stuff. Well, guys, thank you so much for joining us this evening, and we're just grateful for every time we can share from the Bible. And we want to just encourage you to go back to some of the older episodes that we've done. We've got a ton of stuff on YouTube. Please, please, please, feel free to not only listen to the podcast but also dig into your Bible, like David was saying, not just because you heard it here, but find out for yourself in the Word of God, open up that Bible, get you a concordance and some study tools and just start digging into it. That, to me, is the most transformative thing you can do is when you begin to develop a relationship with God's Word for yourself. And there's something about it, man, because the Holy Spirit will start speaking to you personally about the things that are in the Word. But we just want to encourage you to do that.
Speaker 1:Take some of these scriptures we mentioned tonight, meditate on them and make them a part of who you are, internalize those things and, if you come up against some things that maybe you don't understand, there's plenty of stuff in the Bible that's hard to decipher at first. You know that about that. But just read it over and over again. Listen to somebody's podcast to get some insight or some thoughts on those things. But I always want to encourage you to do that, definitely. But if you have any questions or any thoughts or suggestions, even about maybe some things we could cover in these podcast episodes, please feel free to send us an email at got brew at biblebrosnet once again got through at biblebrosnet. Got through at Bible brosnet. You can also find us on all the socials. I believe we're getting close to to all possibly. I know we've got Instagram, We've got Facebook.
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Speaker 3:All the people at a rumble.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the rumble crowd, I can't forget you guys, love you guys. Yeah, definitely Appreciate you guys.
Speaker 3:Let's do one more thing before we go. Let's pray for people.
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 3:Let's pray for those who may still be struggling or who may need to just know the love of God and how God sees them.
Speaker 1:Amen, amen to that, all right. Well, father, thank you for everything that you brought forth in this podcast, and we pray right now for everyone listening to this episode, everyone listening to the sound of our voices. Right now. We ask you, father, to give them the wisdom they need to know how to unlock that path to freedom. Maybe they've been struggling, maybe they've felt like they've failed too many times.
Speaker 1:Whatever the case is, lord, we pray that you will encourage them, strengthen them in their hearts and minds, let them know that there is no condemnation for them because they are in Christ and that, just like you said in Proverbs, a just man may fall seven times, but he'll rise up again. We pray that over these people, lord, that they would not be discouraged or be faint of heart or feel overwhelmed as you're walking on their journey towards better holiness, towards better righteousness, towards a more solid fellowship with you. We pray that you'll continue to give them that wisdom, lord. Speak to their hearts and give them the courage to act on what they hear, and we give you praise for all these things, in Jesus' name, amen.
Speaker 3:Amen.
Speaker 1:Praise God.
Speaker 3:Until next time.
Speaker 1:Until next time, we'll see you again. Much love and peace.
